Personally, I'm deeply offended that he left out space aliens and Justin Bieber.
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Palestinians under attack
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Personally, I'm deeply offended that he left out space aliens and Justin Bieber.
bumping an earlier point...
Why isn't Jordan offering any of its (adjacent) land for the Palestinians? Why aren't any of the Arab leaders in the region helping out their fellow Arab Palestinians? Why is it up to Israel to do all the compromising?
Of course we can rule out the idea that Arab leaders are using the Palestinians as pawns...
Why isn't Jordan offering any of its (adjacent) land for the Palestinians? Why aren't any of the Arab leaders in the region helping out their fellow Arab Palestinians? Why is it up to Israel to do all the compromising?
Of course we can rule out the idea that Arab leaders are using the Palestinians as pawns...
CMike
Well-Known Member
Not only that but 4/5ths of the actual palestine under british control was Jordan.
Jordan is the palestinian homeland.
CMike
Well-Known Member
I am so sorry you dissapprove that Israel has a right to exist.:sarcastic
It is the ancestral homeland of the jews going back thousands of years.
And personally I don't really care if you think Israel should exist or not. It's not going anywhere.
Maybe your existence was a mistake?
CMike
Well-Known Member
CMike
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CMike
Well-Known Member
No.
The catholic church was responsible for the mass murder of hundreds of thousands of jew during the spanish inquistion.
Oh yeah and the black plague was all the jews fault so they had to be murdered as well by the church.
Let's not forget all the pogroms either.
CMike
Well-Known Member
The creation of the catholic church was really a bad idea.
Look at the millions of people they murdered in the name of their church.
CMike
Well-Known Member
Created is more like it, i.e. spanish inquistion, blaming jews for black plague and murdering them, pogroms.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Personally, I am waiting for the fellow to trot out passages from The "Protocols" and will prolly follow up with some heart-warming excerpts from Mein Kampf just to seem unbiased.
The creation of the catholic church was really a bad idea.
Look at the millions of people they murdered in the name of their church.
Talking about the past is useless.
It's like you said: given that the Catholic Church in the Middle Ages killed lots of people, the Zionists have the right to do the same thing, now.
well...there is a big difference between a barbaric age and the present age.
I guess that people have now taken consciousness of the value of human life.
Does the Catholic Church kill people nowadays?
No, it helps the people.
No, it's simply inconvenient for you and your agenda.
No, it's very convenient for me to talk about the crimes against humanity committed by the Church across the centuries. I always do. And I always say that the Vatican was ruled by devilish people.
And as I said, lots of Jews criticize what the Israel Government has been doing in these weeks. And they define these acts "crimes against humanity".
I think that the gravest thing is saying that they are not crimes and that there's nothing wrong with them.
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Sure, just like learning about the past is useless. I mean, if we learn from our mistakes, how can we justify making the same ones over and over?
And in the 20th century.
Unless the present age is a barbaric age. And considering that every age has it's barbarians---case in point: people who choose their positions based on convenience rather than conviction---the differences are usually superficial.
That would have to be a guess.
Sure, look what it's done for you.
MD
qualiaphile
Why do you care so much about Israel and their conflict? You don't have a reason to care about this. You're not Jewish, Palestinian, Arab, Muslim or anything of the sort. Yet you have so much animosity against Israel.
Your country's colonial past is pretty crappy, maybe you should focus on righting the wrongs of your own country.
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ametist
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I agree and thanks a lot. The case is making me very sad and nerveous i cant put my feelings into words while people are in grave conditions. I hope there are enough people to voice the wrongs in the situation and i know human rights volenteers in the region will make the world see. To order to empty one of the hospitals -there are alreay two or something- when there are people inside. :-(
Moishe3rd
Yehudi
On another site, a Pakistani Muslim was urging actions against Israel but, at one point was explaining things about Muslims in Pakistan.
He seemed like a person that may have just not had any information available to him and was therefore simply repeating what he had been taught.
I don't know.
But - the below is what I wrote in response.
I hope that those who do not understand what is currently happening in Israel and Gaza will read this and ask me questions.
In 1947 British India was partitioned into (West) Pakistan and India (and East Pakistan).
In 1947 British Palestine was partitioned into an Arab State and a Jewish State.
* - This Did Not Happen: Imagine if Great Britain gave away India in 1921 to the Hindus and declared that no Muslims could live there. Then, in 1947, partitioned the remaining West and East Pakistan between Hindus and Muslims.
What would you think?
* - This DID happen: In 1921, Great Britain gave the majority of British Palestine, all of the territory East of the Jordan river, to the Arabs and claimed that no Jews could live there.
They created a new country called Transjordan.
When British India was divided up between Pakistan and India, both peoples fought each other and there were an estimated 1 million casualties from that war.
There were approximately 14 million refugees, 1/2 Muslim and 1/2 Hindu, who were forced to leave their homeland and move to another state.
When the British left Palestine, the Jews accepted the partition plan and declared the Jewish State of Israel. The Arabs did not accept the partition plan and attacked the Jewish State of Israel. The local Arabs, along with the newly created states of Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, and Iraq, attacked the Jews.
The Arabs lost.
However, the Arab countries did invade and take over what was supposed to be an independent Arab State under the Partition Plan.
Transjordan invaded and took the West bank of the Jordan River becoming the country of Jordan.
Egypt invaded and took over what is today Gaza.
There were about 400,000 to 600,000 Arab refugees that left what was then Israel.
There were also around 600,000 to 700,000 Jews that were forced out or left the Arab and Muslim countries where their forefathers had lived for generations.
Israel accepted all Jewish refugees.
The Arab countries accepted NO Arab refugees (with the later exception of Jordan) and instead placed the Arabs in concentration camps to be used against the Jewish State.
This action would be the same as if Pakistan would have taken the 7 million Moslem refugees from India and placed them, and all of their descendants, in Concentration Camps forever.
The Arabs refused to recognize the right of Israel to exist and continued attacking and murdering Israelis in Israel or - attacked and murdered pretty much anyone around the world in the Name of attacking Israel.
In 1967, Egypt, along with Syria and other Arab States, declared that they would wipe Israel off the map and massed its troops along the Israeli border and blockaded the Israeli port city of Eilat, an Act of War.
Israel attacked and wiped out the Arab forces.
Israel asked Jordan to stay neutral but, Jordan attacked and then Israel beat Jordan and took the West Bank of the Jordan river and Jerusalem.
The Arabs continued to refuse to recognize the right of Israel to exist and refused to negotiate peace treaties with Israel.
Arafat, the leader of the Arabs called Palestinians, continued to attack and murder Israelis, mainly from Jordan.
Then Arafat tried to overthrow the Jordanian government; they fought a war; he lost and Arafat's Palestinians fled to Lebanon.
They then tried to take over Lebanon and helped destroy that country until Israel invaded and kicked them out. Israel then left Lebanon, allying itself with the South Lebanese to create a buffer zone.
Egypt and Jordan made peace with Israel.
In exchange, Israel returned the Sinai Peninsula to Egypt, an area larger than all of Israel.
After the Palestinians had tried to destroy Jordan, Jordan did not want the West Bank back.
Israel tried to make peace with the Palestinians offering them their own State in return for peace.
Arafat and the Palestinians refused.
In 2000, they again began attacking and murdering Israeli's on a large scale basis.
Israel fought back and started building the Barrier between Israel and the Palestinians in the West Bank to prevent terror attacks against Israel.
The barrier has, for the large part worked and West Bank Palestinians are not able to attack and murder Israelis in the same way as they were before.
In 2005, Israel withdrew all of its troops and people from Gaza, destroying Israeli homes and settlements but leaving the successful Israeli greenhouse businesses.
The Palestinians destroyed the greenhouse businesses and began firing rockets at the Israelis.
In 2006, the Palestinians elected Hamas to rule Gaza. Hamas immediately declared war on Israel and murdered all of the non Hamas members of the Palestinian Authority and any other Arabs they did not like.
Hamas began attacking Israel with rockets on a constant basis.
The previous agreements - which included free passage in and out of Gaza and economic support of Gaza to develop industries were immediately canceled by both Israel and EGYPT, as Hamas had declared itself to be at war and a terrorist State.
After years of attacks murders by Hamas and, that Hamas refuses to negotiate or even agree to a cease fire, Israel has once more attacked Gaza and is determined to destroy its capabilities to make war.
He seemed like a person that may have just not had any information available to him and was therefore simply repeating what he had been taught.
I don't know.
But - the below is what I wrote in response.
I hope that those who do not understand what is currently happening in Israel and Gaza will read this and ask me questions.
In 1947 British India was partitioned into (West) Pakistan and India (and East Pakistan).
In 1947 British Palestine was partitioned into an Arab State and a Jewish State.
* - This Did Not Happen: Imagine if Great Britain gave away India in 1921 to the Hindus and declared that no Muslims could live there. Then, in 1947, partitioned the remaining West and East Pakistan between Hindus and Muslims.
What would you think?
* - This DID happen: In 1921, Great Britain gave the majority of British Palestine, all of the territory East of the Jordan river, to the Arabs and claimed that no Jews could live there.
They created a new country called Transjordan.
When British India was divided up between Pakistan and India, both peoples fought each other and there were an estimated 1 million casualties from that war.
There were approximately 14 million refugees, 1/2 Muslim and 1/2 Hindu, who were forced to leave their homeland and move to another state.
When the British left Palestine, the Jews accepted the partition plan and declared the Jewish State of Israel. The Arabs did not accept the partition plan and attacked the Jewish State of Israel. The local Arabs, along with the newly created states of Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, and Iraq, attacked the Jews.
The Arabs lost.
However, the Arab countries did invade and take over what was supposed to be an independent Arab State under the Partition Plan.
Transjordan invaded and took the West bank of the Jordan River becoming the country of Jordan.
Egypt invaded and took over what is today Gaza.
There were about 400,000 to 600,000 Arab refugees that left what was then Israel.
There were also around 600,000 to 700,000 Jews that were forced out or left the Arab and Muslim countries where their forefathers had lived for generations.
Israel accepted all Jewish refugees.
The Arab countries accepted NO Arab refugees (with the later exception of Jordan) and instead placed the Arabs in concentration camps to be used against the Jewish State.
This action would be the same as if Pakistan would have taken the 7 million Moslem refugees from India and placed them, and all of their descendants, in Concentration Camps forever.
The Arabs refused to recognize the right of Israel to exist and continued attacking and murdering Israelis in Israel or - attacked and murdered pretty much anyone around the world in the Name of attacking Israel.
In 1967, Egypt, along with Syria and other Arab States, declared that they would wipe Israel off the map and massed its troops along the Israeli border and blockaded the Israeli port city of Eilat, an Act of War.
Israel attacked and wiped out the Arab forces.
Israel asked Jordan to stay neutral but, Jordan attacked and then Israel beat Jordan and took the West Bank of the Jordan river and Jerusalem.
The Arabs continued to refuse to recognize the right of Israel to exist and refused to negotiate peace treaties with Israel.
Arafat, the leader of the Arabs called Palestinians, continued to attack and murder Israelis, mainly from Jordan.
Then Arafat tried to overthrow the Jordanian government; they fought a war; he lost and Arafat's Palestinians fled to Lebanon.
They then tried to take over Lebanon and helped destroy that country until Israel invaded and kicked them out. Israel then left Lebanon, allying itself with the South Lebanese to create a buffer zone.
Egypt and Jordan made peace with Israel.
In exchange, Israel returned the Sinai Peninsula to Egypt, an area larger than all of Israel.
After the Palestinians had tried to destroy Jordan, Jordan did not want the West Bank back.
Israel tried to make peace with the Palestinians offering them their own State in return for peace.
Arafat and the Palestinians refused.
In 2000, they again began attacking and murdering Israeli's on a large scale basis.
Israel fought back and started building the Barrier between Israel and the Palestinians in the West Bank to prevent terror attacks against Israel.
The barrier has, for the large part worked and West Bank Palestinians are not able to attack and murder Israelis in the same way as they were before.
In 2005, Israel withdrew all of its troops and people from Gaza, destroying Israeli homes and settlements but leaving the successful Israeli greenhouse businesses.
The Palestinians destroyed the greenhouse businesses and began firing rockets at the Israelis.
In 2006, the Palestinians elected Hamas to rule Gaza. Hamas immediately declared war on Israel and murdered all of the non Hamas members of the Palestinian Authority and any other Arabs they did not like.
Hamas began attacking Israel with rockets on a constant basis.
The previous agreements - which included free passage in and out of Gaza and economic support of Gaza to develop industries were immediately canceled by both Israel and EGYPT, as Hamas had declared itself to be at war and a terrorist State.
After years of attacks murders by Hamas and, that Hamas refuses to negotiate or even agree to a cease fire, Israel has once more attacked Gaza and is determined to destroy its capabilities to make war.
ametist
Active Member
Isnt it a crime to be anti arab, anti muslim as it is a crime to be anti semitic? How can you want what you dont want for yourself for another? Is there something special about being a jew when there is some historical or moral critique on them it is anti semitism but whem same things said for arabs or muslims it isnt a hate crime.
Have you ever been terminally ill in a hospital needing certain equipment there? And forced out of it? Would you like it? Then why should someone do it to another?
Why innocent people should be harmed because of what politicians or religious group want to do to each other?
Have you ever been terminally ill in a hospital needing certain equipment there? And forced out of it? Would you like it? Then why should someone do it to another?
Why innocent people should be harmed because of what politicians or religious group want to do to each other?
Absolutely.