Palestinians under attack

[metis]

And in my opinion, any Jew that supports or stays silent in the face of such garbage does not deserve to be considered a Jew.

And you claim you don't make over-the-top statements?

Listen, I disagree with what I believe are over-the-top statements with both Moshe and CMike, but they still have the right to state their opinions even if you and I may disagree and are offended by them. There's lots of emotion attached to what's going on in that region, and we're seeing all sorts of these kinds of statements coming from so many people here, and most of us do not respond to probably the vast majority of them. Rarely do I post when someone goes "over-the-top" as I have to watch myself as well, and I'm not always successful in doing so.

But you can't have it both ways-- you can't criticize them for making these type of statements and then come back with the above, which is just another one. And I've seen you do over-the-top before and with different people and on different topics, so maybe you should look at what you post as well. I put you on my ignore list about a month ago, and it wasn't because you were so charming, let me tell ya.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

And you claim you don't make over-the-top statements?

No. I claim that your definition of over-the-top statements coddles and enables the most disgusting bigotry and is morally reprehensible.

 

[Sunstone]

Lovely.
And, you people are interesting.
It is only by living in a world without values, where there is no good, where there is no evil, everything is the same, where the life of a murderer, and the life of a baby, are all of equal value, no value...
Your world will end up destroying our world as the cannibal eats the saint and you explain, "Well, he was hungry and the cannibal's life is worth just the same as the saint..."

But don't worry, by the time that it is your turn to be dinner, you'll go out on a full stomach.
Just bare your neck willingly and don't be a hypocrite.

Let me get this straight: You liken yourself to a saint and your enemies to cannibals, then you whine that you know the value of everyone, and that your enemies -- and not you -- are the ones out to destroy the earth.

I don't think you have an opinion so much as you have a disease masquerading as one.

 

[Moishe3rd]

And you claim you don't make over-the-top statements?

Listen, I disagree with what I believe are over-the-top statements with both Moshe and CMike, but they still have the right to state their opinions even if you and I may disagree and are offended by them. There's lots of emotion attached to what's going on in that region, and we're seeing all sorts of these kinds of statements coming from so many people here, and most of us do not respond to probably the vast majority of them. Rarely do I post when someone goes "over-the-top" as I have to watch myself as well, and I'm not always successful in doing so.

But you can't have it both ways-- you can't criticize them for making these type of statements and then come back with the above, which is just another one. And I've seen you do over-the-top before and with different people and on different topics, so maybe you should look at what you post as well. I put you on my ignore list about a month ago, and it wasn't because you were so charming, let me tell ya.

This is good.
I am interested though, in what you might consider to be offensive and/or incorrect based, not on the emotional content of my original post, but on the logic train regardingthe points I made on those who worship death and those who worship life.
Do you also think that their lives are of equal value?
If so, why?

 

[Moishe3rd]

Let me get this straight: You liken yourself to a saint and your enemies to cannibals, then you whine that you know the value of everyone, and that your enemies -- and not you -- are the ones out to destroy the earth.

I don't think you have an opinion so much as you have a disease masquerading as one.

I understand that somehow, you find this all personally offensive.
However, no. I likened those who worship Death to cannibals and those who worship a G-d of Life to saints. It's called a simile.
And, apparently you disagree with this simile and, find it personally offensive.

 

[xkatz]

Five hundred Hamas/ Palestinian/ Gazan/ men. women and children DO NOT Equal one precious Jewish soul of one soldier in the IDF!

 

[beenie]

And, I am outraged by the totally disproportionate body count in this current Gaza War!
So far there have been over 500 Palestinians killed and thousands wounded whereas there have been about 27 IDF soldiers killed.
This is totally unfair and outrageous!

Every single Israeli soldier killed is a whole universe to millions of people, not just Jews, all over the world.
I am just some guy out here in Minnesota and I know the names and the stories of some of these Israeli soldiers who are no longer with us.
20,000 Israelis went to the funeral of the California boy who was in the IDF and got killed because they didn't want his family or friends to think that he was not honored just because he wasn't an Israeli, he was an American.
Millions of people all over the world mourn for each lost soul of the soldiers of the IDF and cry real tears at their sacrifice, as do I.
Each of their lives are infinitely important and significant.

Our enemies in Hamas claims that death is a numbers game. They claim that the individuals don't matter, only the number of bodies that can be photo-shopped and shown to the world.
Hamas claims to love Death as much as the Jews love Life.
Islamists and terrorist scum all over the world claim to love Death as much as the Jews love Life.
700 Syrians last week murdered each other and no one cares - because no one can blame it on the Jews.
Islamists crucify Christians and murder each other by the hundred in Iraq and no one cares - because no one can blame it on the Jews.

The killing in Gaza is disproportionate!
Five hundred Hamas/ Palestinian/ Gazan/ men. women and children DO NOT Equal one precious Jewish soul of one soldier in the IDF!
Who Says So?
Hamas Says So!
They Worship Death. They seek Death.

Israelis worship Life.
We worship the G-d of Life.
We are commanded in the Torah to Choose Life!
"I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse; therefore choose life."
- Deuteronomy 30:19

I understand.
You consider that the life of a person who worships Death and considers the murder of innocents to be a good thing, to be of equal value to those that would die to preserve the lives of those same Death worshipping murderers.
Yes, I disagree.

Lovely.
And, you people are interesting.
It is only by living in a world without values, where there is no good, where there is no evil, everything is the same, where the life of a murderer, and the life of a baby, are all of equal value, no value...
Your world will end up destroying our world as the cannibal eats the saint and you explain, "Well, he was hungry and the cannibal's life is worth just the same as the saint..."

But don't worry, by the time that it is your turn to be dinner, you'll go out on a full stomach.
Just bare your neck willingly and don't be a hypocrite.

If you can convince me your thoughts are any better than those if the very group you criticize, we'll have a conversation. Otherwise, it's just bigotry.

 

[CMike]

So you testify that there were terrorists on the beach.
That proves something about you which i can't say due to the forum rules.

Your own link says so. Read it.

 

[CMike]

Most religious Jews do serve in the IDF. The only ones that don't tend to be the chasidim ("ultraorthodox").

The only reason Muslems and probably some secular Palestinians are being killed in Gaza is because they're the ones that live there. For the Israeli perspective, this is not a religious war, but from the Hamas perspective, it is.

Many religious does do serve in the IDF.

You can see them in the pictures. They are wearing the yamakas.

 

[Sunstone]

I understand that somehow, you find this all personally offensive.
However, no. I likened those who worship Death to cannibals and those who worship a G-d of Life to saints. It's called a simile.
And, apparently you disagree with this simile and, find it personally offensive.

Actually, I think at least half of humanity would find your words to be stupid, and half of the rest to be both stupid and petty minded.

It seems to me that your words are most likely to be received favorably by a portion of that one-quarter or so of the general population that is consistently wrong about nearly everything.

That's to say your words belong among those people who still doubt America landed men on the moon, that the climate is changing, that evolution has occurred. That one quarter or so of the American public who still think Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, who believe autism is caused by vaccinations, and who regularly poops its pants because it cannot remember where it last left its pants zipper.

Congratulations! Those are the people among whom your words are most likely to be received and "appreciated" as other than stupid.

 

[CMike]

It seems that you are ignorant about history.

Egypt were in war with Israel and war will never stop at Sinai and Israel will have no better choices other than retreating from Sinai and to accept peace agreement than going in the war.

English please?

Israel gave Egypt back Sinai a long time ago.

 

[CMike]

And you claim you don't make over-the-top statements?

Listen, I disagree with what I believe are over-the-top statements with both Moshe and CMike, but they still have the right to state their opinions even if you and I may disagree and are offended by them. There's lots of emotion attached to what's going on in that region, and we're seeing all sorts of these kinds of statements coming from so many people here, and most of us do not respond to probably the vast majority of them. Rarely do I post when someone goes "over-the-top" as I have to watch myself as well, and I'm not always successful in doing so.

But you can't have it both ways-- you can't criticize them for making these type of statements and then come back with the above, which is just another one. And I've seen you do over-the-top before and with different people and on different topics, so maybe you should look at what you post as well. I put you on my ignore list about a month ago, and it wasn't because you were so charming, let me tell ya.

Moshe is spot on.

I stand by my statements.

 

[CMike]

No. I claim that your definition of over-the-top statements coddles and enables the most disgusting bigotry and is morally reprehensible.

Metis has made no over the top students, neither has Moshe nor myself.

Apparently what you consider "over the top" is in major need of repair.

 

[metis]

No. I claim that your definition of over-the-top statements coddles and enables the most disgusting bigotry and is morally reprehensible.

The above is illogical. What I may choose not to comment on is frankly none of your business, much like what you choose to not comment on is none of my business.

 

[CMike]

Let me get this straight: You liken yourself to a saint and your enemies to cannibals, then you whine that you know the value of everyone, and that your enemies -- and not you -- are the ones out to destroy the earth.

I don't think you have an opinion so much as you have a disease masquerading as one.

No, he's right.

There is a difference between good and evil.

Hamas-- intentionally targets Israeli civilians and uses it's own civilians as human shields.

They vow to murder all the jews in Israel, and their motto is that we love death as much as the jews love life.==EVIL

Israel-- Attempts just to survive. Accepted the egyptian cease fire agreement. And has constantly said it will negotiate for peace.

They spend their resources building air raid shelters and anti-missile systems.

They care more about Hamas' civilians than Hamas does.

They called off strikes against terrorists because civilians were nearby.

They are willing to seriously negotiate for an actual peace at any time --Good

 

[CMike]

The above is illogical. What I may choose not to comment on is frankly none of your business, much like what you choose to not comment on is none of my business.

I suggest put him on ignore.

I have him and Dantech on ignore.

It makes things more pleasant.

 

[metis]

This is good.
I am interested though, in what you might consider to be offensive and/or incorrect based, not on the emotional content of my original post, but on the logic train regardingthe points I made on those who worship death and those who worship life.
Do you also think that their lives are of equal value?
If so, why?

I believe all human life is important, so it bothers me immensely to see people die in such conflicts, whether they be Israeli, Palestinian, Jew, Muslem, or whatever. Yes, certain deaths hit us harder if they part of our personal in-group, but pretty much everybody is part of someone's in-group.

Do all have equal value to me? Cognitively, yes; emotionally, no.

 

[CMike]

If you can convince me your thoughts are any better than those if the very group you criticize, we'll have a conversation. Otherwise, it's just bigotry.

He doesn't have to convinue you of anything.

He is spot on.

 

[beenie]

He doesn't have to convinue you of anything.

He is spot on.

He's spot on that one Israeli soldier's death, while tragic, is worth 500 people's? Not all 500 deaths are those of Hamas sympathizers or members. I'm sure the very young children don't have a choice in what group their parents belong to.

I can't believe I'm still remaining balanced after reading some of these posts (on BOTH ends). How is what you're supporting any different than Hamas's position that one Palestinian life is worth 500 Isreali soldier's lives? Oh, I know... because your side is correct. A life is a life.

Disgusting.

 

[ametist]

He doesn't have to convinue you of anything.

He is spot on.

I think you are losing track. Why dont you take a break, have a dinner, sleep a bit?