Palestinians under attack

[Jayhawker Soule]

The above is illogical. What I may choose not to comment on is frankly none of your business, ...

“Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.” - Dietrich Bonhoeffer

"To be is to stand for." - Abraham Joshua Heshel

To be silent in the face of ugly racism and sexism is reprehensible.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Lovely.
And, you people are interesting.
It is only by living in a world without values, where there is no good, where there is no evil, everything is the same, where the life of a murderer, and the life of a baby, are all of equal value, no value...
Your world will end up destroying our world as the cannibal eats the saint and you explain, "Well, he was hungry and the cannibal's life is worth just the same as the saint..."

But don't worry, by the time that it is your turn to be dinner, you'll go out on a full stomach.
Just bare your neck willingly and don't be a hypocrite.

Many innocent Palestinians and Israelis alike have been killed during the conflict in question. To claim that one side is entirely made up of saints and the other is entirely "evil" reeks of chauvinism and blind clinginess to dogmatic opinions.

Your views contradict themselves unless you consider Palestinian civilians just as culpable as the terrorists—and doing so would be as contemptible as the beliefs you have expressed here so far.

 

[Tarheeler]

This thread is a great example of why this situation will not be solved anytime soon. It is so complex, and yet most people want to focus in on one thing and demonize their opponent.

I'm a religious Jew and very much a Zionist. I want Israel to know both safety and peace and to prosper for generations to come. I also want her to treat her neighbors fairly and with dignity, which is something often lost in the pursuit of security. I have no delusions about the dangers that exist both outside and within Israel, but her policies towards the Palestinians are sometimes draconian and brutal. I also support the Palestinians' right to have a state of their own, independently governed and fully sovereign. I also want them to flourish and the know safety and peace, but terrorism is not the way to get there.

What both sides need to realize is that the status quo will not achieve any of that. Rockets can not rain down on a population indiscriminately, militants can not use their civilians as shields, and legitimate military strikes can not cause civilian deaths and injuries. Both need to find a new way to deal with each other and to work towards realizing their goals.

The history of this conflict goes back close to a century, and includes both European and Middle Eastern players. The initial opportunity for a peaceful resolution was thrown away long ago, and time can't be turned back. Jordan, Egypt, and Israel all occupy the former British Mandate of Palestine, and all need to play a part in partnership with the Palestinian people in order to find a solution.

 

[Debater Slayer]

He doesn't have to convinue you of anything.

He is spot on.

Your primitive tribalistic views have been duly noted.

 

[Sunstone]

No, he's right.

There is a difference between good and evil.

Hamas-- intentionally targets Israeli civilians and uses it's own civilians as human shields.

They vow to murder all the jews in Israel, and their motto is that we love death as much as the jews love life.==EVIL

Israel-- Attempts just to survive. Accepted the egyptian cease fire agreement. And has constantly said it will negotiate for peace.

They spend their resources building air raid shelters and anti-missile systems.

They care more about Hamas' civilians than Hamas does.

They called off strikes against terrorists because civilians were nearby.

They are willing to seriously negotiate for an actual peace at any time --Good

Your analysis is childishly one-sided. For instance, you gloss over the fact he is equating Hamas with every person in Gaza, whether they are man, woman, or child, and whether they are members of Hamas or not. Such an equation is both infantile and repugnant to reason.

Again, you ignore the fact Israel has been steadily building illegal settlements. But perhaps that's because you yourself cling to the frothing, dogmatic view, "There is no Palestine".

And one could go on.

 

[loverOfTruth]

Five hundred Hamas/ Palestinian/ Gazan/ men. women and children DO NOT Equal one precious Jewish soul of one soldier in the IDF!

Didn't I say : "The bottom line is, Palestinian lives are not seen as being equal to Israeli lives, so Israel can do what it pleases in the land it occupies and had the Palestinians not been resisting in whatever way they can, they would have been eliminated completely by now. " in http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3840550-post23.html

The above is one more proof of that pure rubbish arrogance from someone who claims to worship the God of life (as if the God of life and death is two separate one)

They Worship Death. They seek Death.
...
Israelis worship Life.
We worship the G-d of Life.

What nonsense.... just come out and say that you worship ONLY Jewish/Israeli life ...

 

[Moishe3rd]

Your analysis is childishly one-sided. For instance, you gloss over the fact he is equating Hamas with every person in Gaza, whether they are man, woman, or child, and whether they are members of Hamas or not. Such an equation is both infantile and repugnant to reason.

Again, you ignore the fact Israel has been steadily building illegal settlements. But perhaps that's because you yourself cling to the frothing, dogmatic view, "There is no Palestine".

And one could go on.

Dear one,
Those in Gaza who value life have evacuated the current battle zone in the North.
Those that remain, with their children, are there for the express purpose of dying.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Dear one,
Those in Gaza who value life have evacuated the current battle zone in the North.
Those that remain, with their children, are there for the express purpose of dying.

So unless those people leave their homes, it becomes perfectly acceptable to kill them and their children?

 

[Sunstone]

Dear one,
Those in Gaza who value life have evacuated the current battle zone in the North.
Those that remain, with their children, are there for the express purpose of dying.

I suppose that passes for reason with you?

 

[beenie]

This thread is a great example of why this situation will not be solved anytime soon. It is so complex, and yet most people want to focus in on one thing and demonize their opponent.

I'm a religious Jew and very much a Zionist. I want Israel to know both safety and peace and to prosper for generations to come. I also want her to treat her neighbors fairly and with dignity, which is something often lost in the pursuit of security. I have no delusions about the dangers that exist both outside and within Israel, but her policies towards the Palestinians are sometimes draconian and brutal. I also support the Palestinians' right to have a state of their own, independently governed and fully sovereign. I also want them to flourish and the know safety and peace, but terrorism is not the way to get there.

What both sides need to realize is that the status quo will not achieve any of that. Rockets can not rain down on a population indiscriminately, militants can not use their civilians as shields, and legitimate military strikes can not cause civilian deaths and injuries. Both need to find a new way to deal with each other and to work towards realizing their goals.

The history of this conflict goes back close to a century, and includes both European and Middle Eastern players. The initial opportunity for a peaceful resolution was thrown away long ago, and time can't be turned back. Jordan, Egypt, and Israel all occupy the former British Mandate of Palestine, and all need to play a part in partnership with the Palestinian people in order to find a solution.

Absolutely 1000% agree with this, and have said so in just about every post I've made. Status quo is not working, and is serving no purpose but to further divide already polarized groups.

Neighboring countries are being hugely irresponsible in not helping the Palestinians, I agree there also, and am deeply disturbed by their lack of action and empathy for their "supposed" brethren. Put down the damn protest signs, stop hashtagging, and open your borders and help these people get out.

Dear one,
Those in Gaza who value life have evacuated the current battle zone in the North.

I'm glad some have been able to escape.

Those that remain, with their children, are there for the express purpose of dying.

Has it crossed your mind that perhaps not everyone is able to escape? They need somewhere to go.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

See

Civilians Fleeing Gaza City Neighborhood After Israeli Strike Say They Have Nowhere To Go​

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

See

Terrified Families Fleeing Northern Gaza Airstrikes Seek Refuge With UN​

 

[CMike]

They were told by Israel where to go.

 

[CMike]

Your primitive tribalistic views have been duly noted.

As your pithy remarks.

 

[loverOfTruth]

Dear one,
Those in Gaza who value life have evacuated the current battle zone in the North.
Those that remain, with their children, are there for the express purpose of dying.

One more pure BS ...

"On the day that Al-Farouq was attacked, the Israeli military also carried out a missile strike on a home for the handicapped in Beit Lahiya, killing two disabled residents and injuring four others."

"Another reason was given by a neighbour, Abdullah al-Daweish: “Where do we go to? Some people moved from the outer edge of Khan Younis to Khan Younis centre after Israelis told them to, then the centre got bombed."

"There were 10 recently destroyed buildings on the half-hour drive from Khan Younis to Shujaiya, a town where 90 people had been killed in a 24 hours, an onslaught condemned by the Palestinian government of Mahmoud Abbas as a “heinous massacre”: and UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon as “ an atrocious action”.

Members of families who owned six of the buildings had moved in with relations and neighbours in the area. Their reason for staying behind was primarily because there was, they said, nowhere else to go."

Taken from : The myth of Hamas’s human shields

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Five hundred Hamas/ Palestinian/ Gazan/ men. women and children DO NOT Equal one precious Jewish soul of one soldier in the IDF!

I am calling Poe.

 

[Sunstone]

As your pithy remarks.

I'll take another order of pity remarks, please, and hold the primitive tribalism.

 

[Moishe3rd]

Absolutely 1000% agree with this, and have said so in just about every post I've made. Status quo is not working, and is serving no purpose but to further divide already polarized groups.

Neighboring countries are being hugely irresponsible in not helping the Palestinians, I agree there also, and am deeply disturbed by their lack of action and empathy for their "supposed" brethren. Put down the damn protest signs, stop hashtagging, and open your borders and help these people get out.



I'm glad some have been able to escapue.



Has it crossed your mind that perhaps not everyone is able to escape? They need somewhere to go.

Of course you are correct. They would need at least one charity agency or one fellow Arab family or at least one UN agency, or at least one friend, or at least one Hamas charity organization... to flee to...
You may be right. Maybe, none of these organizations or friends or families or charities exists in Gaza.
I suspect that they do. I suspect that there may be fellow Arab families that might be willing to take in refugees from the North.
But, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe, you are right.

 

[loverOfTruth]

5 Videos The Israeli Military don't want you to see ...

 

[Sunstone]

I am calling Poe.

I'm beginning to think the same.