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Palestinians under attack

CMike

CMike

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loverOfTruth said:
One more pure BS ...

"On the day that Al-Farouq was attacked, the Israeli military also carried out a missile strike on a home for the handicapped in Beit Lahiya, killing two disabled residents and injuring four others."

"Another reason was given by a neighbour, Abdullah al-Daweish: “Where do we go to? Some people moved from the outer edge of Khan Younis to Khan Younis centre after Israelis told them to, then the centre got bombed."

"There were 10 recently destroyed buildings on the half-hour drive from Khan Younis to Shujaiya, a town where 90 people had been killed in a 24 hours, an onslaught condemned by the Palestinian government of Mahmoud Abbas as a “heinous massacre”: and UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon as “ an atrocious action”.

Members of families who owned six of the buildings had moved in with relations and neighbours in the area. Their reason for staying behind was primarily because there was, they said, nowhere else to go."

Taken from : The myth of Hamas’s human shields
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And of course this information originates with the Hamas terrorist organization.
 
CMike

CMike

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ssainhu said:
Who are we to believe? The Israeli Army? Hamas?

The truth always lies somewhere in the middle.
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Not really Hamas has no accountability.

No one will verify what they say.

Israel had been more or less an open book.
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Jayhawker Soule said:
“Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.” - Dietrich Bonhoeffer

"To be is to stand for." - Abraham Joshua Heshel

To be silent in the face of ugly racism and sexism is reprehensible.
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I think anyone who knows me at all realizes that I abhor war and racism, but one of the things I also abhor are "family" feuds, as they tend to be the nasty, and the minute things get nasty I tend to back off or get out of Dodge. Words are words, and they shouldn't be confused with actions. I have seen so many nasty over-the-top statements on this thread that I have doubted my own sanity by even posting here.

I have made my position quite clear in a series of posts, so it should be abundantly clear that I simply do not agree with Moshe's and CMike's rhetoric and have said as such. If that's not clear enough for you, then maybe it's not I that's the problem.
 
CMike

CMike

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metis said:
I think anyone who knows me at all realizes that I abhor war and racism, but one of the things I also abhor are "family" feuds, as they tend to be the nasty, and the minute things get nasty I tend to back off or get out of Dodge. Words are words, and they shouldn't be confused with actions. I have seen so many nasty over-the-top statements on this thread that I have doubted my own sanity by even posting here.

I have made my position quite clear in a series of posts, so it should be abundantly clear that I simply do not agree with Moshe's and CMike's rhetoric and have said as such. If that's not clear enough for you, then maybe it's not I that's the problem.
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They think Golda Meir's quote's is racist. These aren't people whom are dealing with a full deck.

Also what is the "over the top" comments that you believe that I made?
 
CMike

CMike

Well-Known Member
ssainhu said:
Who are we to believe? The Israeli Army? Hamas?

The truth always lies somewhere in the middle.
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Not really.

The links I provided were from Hamas' spokesmen.

I also provided the videos of terrorists using ambulances for terrorist purposes, and other civilian purposes that they have made into military targets.
 
CMike

CMike

Well-Known Member
Tarheeler said:
This thread is a great example of why this situation will not be solved anytime soon. It is so complex, and yet most people want to focus in on one thing and demonize their opponent.

I'm a religious Jew and very much a Zionist. I want Israel to know both safety and peace and to prosper for generations to come. I also want her to treat her neighbors fairly and with dignity, which is something often lost in the pursuit of security. I have no delusions about the dangers that exist both outside and within Israel, but her policies towards the Palestinians are sometimes draconian and brutal. I also support the Palestinians' right to have a state of their own, independently governed and fully sovereign. I also want them to flourish and the know safety and peace, but terrorism is not the way to get there.

What both sides need to realize is that the status quo will not achieve any of that. Rockets can not rain down on a population indiscriminately, militants can not use their civilians as shields, and legitimate military strikes can not cause civilian deaths and injuries. Both need to find a new way to deal with each other and to work towards realizing their goals.

The history of this conflict goes back close to a century, and includes both European and Middle Eastern players. The initial opportunity for a peaceful resolution was thrown away long ago, and time can't be turned back. Jordan, Egypt, and Israel all occupy the former British Mandate of Palestine, and all need to play a part in partnership with the Palestinian people in order to find a solution.
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Israel has gone far what any other country has done to minize civilian casualities.

Israel has a right to defend it's people. And if Hamas intentionally uses it's civilians as human shields as they do, they alone bear responsibility for those deaths.
 
beenie

beenie

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CMike said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_UBc96u50k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMO-_qEpgg0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQmFHY9C3hM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2DGoZ2wp10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O11h1rK5PYU

How much more evidence do you need?
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Youtube videos as evidence? :facepalm:

I am not denying for one second that there are some Hamas members who use women and children as human shields, but to clump all Palestinians into one camp is just wrong and unacceptable. You would not tolerate, for one second, if someone clumped all Israelis into one camp either, and you shouldn't.
 
CMike

CMike

Well-Known Member
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
CMike said:
They think Golda Meir's quote's is racist. These aren't people whom are dealing with a full deck.

Also what is the "over the top" comments that you believe that I made?
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Mainly the part whereas you negatively stereotyped Palestinian parents. Meir's comments I long interpreted as being in reference to mainly the Arab leaders of those who maliciously attacked Israel while realizing that Israel would have to respond back, thus endangering even their own civilians.

But I mostly cannot endorse Moshe's statements. A human life is a human life regardless as to one's nationality or religious beliefs. Israel has to do what it has to do to protect its own population, but it's truly unfortunate that it has had to come to this.

What really is "over-the-top", however, are those who defend Hamas and try to blame everything on Israel. That position is undoubtedly terribly hypocritical because if it were their country being offensively attacked by a neighboring country, they'd be singing an entirely different tune, I betcha.
 
Tarheeler

Tarheeler

Argumentative Curmudgeon
Premium Member
CMike said:
Israel has gone far what any other country has done to minize civilian casualities.

Israel has a right to defend it's people. And if Hamas intentionally uses it's civilians as human shields as they do, they alone bear responsibility for those deaths.
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I'm curious as to what part of my post your comments are meant to address, or did you simply see a post that didn't parrot your position and decided you needed to stress it yet again?
 
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