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Palestinians under attack

Saint Frankenstein

Saint Frankenstein

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Avi1001 said:
I just saw some videos of Gaza on TV. There has to be a better way. That alone should be a starting point for interfaith dialogue !! How can so many civilian lives be destroyed without a response ?
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Same. I'm watching CNN and the footage of Gaza is dreadful and heart-wrenching. I'm ashamed of my species.
 
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loverOfTruth

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sandandfoam said:
I don't believe it.
I accept that the reason Israel offers i.e. the rocket attacks is the real reason.
If rockets were not being fired Israel would not attack.
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Those who believe that narrative (without understanding the daily oppression and aggression suffered by the Palestinians under the Israeli occupation) are either too naive or too brainwashed or willing participant of the oppression themselves. Watch these videos...hopefully they'll be eye opening for you and everyone else here ...


[youtube]mR1LGoNg5p4[/youtube]
Jon Snow's return from Gaza, Palestine July 2014


[youtube]qovvZmH_3gw[/youtube]
Jon Snow - Gaza's hospitals are no longer safe


[youtube]93hqlmrZKd8[/youtube]
This one is a must watch by an Israeli Soldier


Peace.
 
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Jayhawker Soule

Jayhawker Soule

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loverOfTruth said:
Those who believe that narrative (without understanding the daily oppression and aggression suffered by the Palestinians under the Israeli occupation) are either too naive or too brainwashed or willing participant of the oppression themselves.
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True, and the same might be said of those who accept a narrative that does not acknowledge the genocidal intentions of the Hamas terrorists.
 
FearGod

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
It seems that Israel's leaders are killing Palestinians and even their own people for the sake of gas.

Tunnels and rockets were used long time ago by Hamas and Hizbollah, it isn't a new issue,but they are fooling the laymen to die and fight for them because they are greedy and want to be a stinking rich.

Israel in secret talks with BG on Palestinian gas
 
CMike

CMike

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sandandfoam said:
I don't believe it.
I accept that the reason Israel offers i.e. the rocket attacks is the real reason.
If rockets were not being fired Israel would not attack.
I do not think that this excuses a single civilian casualty but that is a separate point.
My opinion is that the deaths of civilians in Gaza as a consequence of IDF attacks is indefensible. I also believe that Hamas is a despicable organization for bringing this suffering down on the heads of its own people.
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How utterly rediculous.

Hamas is the elected government of Hamas. Therefore, the population in gaza is responsible for their decision

Let me demonstrate the absurdity of that comment.

For about three weeks Israelis have been virtually living in air raid shelters.

Hamas has been firing about 200 rockets per day into Israel.

They attack intentionally from hospitals, mosques, schools, UN schools, etc.

They place their own people as human shields.

So you expect Israel to just allow Hamas to keep firing rockets into Israeli cities unstopped?

Let's say it was NYC and a terrorist group was firing rockets into NYC every day.

You would not expect our government to try and stop the terrorist group and try and destroy their capability to launch the rockets?

Now let's says that the terrorist group intentionally fires from populated areas.

You would then be okay with the government to just let the terrorist group continue to fire into NYC rockets.

Hamas wants their own people to die, so the gullible will buy into the propaganda.

They are responsible for each and every death.

They could stop this at any time simply by stopping to fire rockets. They chose not to.

Yes, it's easy to be an armchair general and say how awful Hamas is for sending rockets into Israel, but if Israel goes in to stop Hamas and civilian dies that is unjustfiable.

In war civilians die. Every single war has had civilians die.

The difference is that the palestinian government in Hamas WANT their civilians to die.

Also what will be the future message? That you are immune from being stopped from executing terrorist attacks as long as hide behind your own women and children.

Israel has gone to extraordinary lengths to protect civilians. They warn them in advance, they scrap missions of their are civilians.

The main problem is that Hamas wants their people to die.

The guy below expressed it very well.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=778612042160466&set=vb.396697410351933&type=2&theater
 
CMike

CMike

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loverOfTruth said:
Those who believe that narrative (without understanding the daily oppression and aggression suffered by the Palestinians under the Israeli occupation) are either too naive or too brainwashed or willing participant of the oppression themselves. Watch these videos...hopefully they'll be eye opening for you and everyone else here ...


[youtube]mR1LGoNg5p4[/youtube]
Jon Snow's return from Gaza, Palestine July 2014


[youtube]qovvZmH_3gw[/youtube]
Jon Snow - Gaza's hospitals are no longer safe


[youtube]93hqlmrZKd8[/youtube]
This one is a must watch by an Israeli Soldier


Peace.
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The hospitals probably aren't safe because Hamas has turned them into terror centers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcrWy3PT6zcE]
 
CMike

CMike

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sandandfoam said:
I don't believe it.
I accept that the reason Israel offers i.e. the rocket attacks is the real reason.
If rockets were not being fired Israel would not attack.
I do not think that this excuses a single civilian casualty but that is a separate point.
My opinion is that the deaths of civilians in Gaza as a consequence of IDF attacks is indefensible. I also believe that Hamas is a despicable organization for bringing this suffering down on the heads of its own people.
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Even further than that.

If Hamas would stop firing rockets it would end.
 
CMike

CMike

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FearGod said:
So what if it was a british colony, India was, so what ?
Palestine and Palestinians did exist during the time of Jesus, Jews left Palestine to Europe long time ago and i think it was the time when the dark ages started in Europe.
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What?

Palestine is actually a roman word.
 
CMike

CMike

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Avi1001 said:
I just saw some videos of Gaza on TV. There has to be a better way. That alone should be a starting point for interfaith dialogue !! How can so many civilian lives be destroyed without a response ?
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Because their own government wants them dead so they can be put on TV and used for propaganda.
 
Flankerl

Flankerl

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A Muslim citing Memri as a source for the fight against Israel.

I have now officially seen the light.
 
Debater Slayer

Debater Slayer

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TashaN

TashaN

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"When the bodies of three Israeli teenagers, kidnapped in the West Bank, were found late last month, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu did not mince words. "Hamas is responsible, and Hamas will pay," he said, initiating a campaign that eventually escalated into the present conflict in the region.

But now, officials admit the kidnappings were not Hamas's handiwork after all."

Hamas Didn?t Kidnap the Israeli Teens After All -- NYMag
 
Matemkar

Matemkar

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Flankerl said:
A Muslim citing Memri as a source for the fight against Israel.

I have now officially seen the light.
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Well, they might be islamophobics but at least they do not mistranslate the speech, and that is what matters to me.

God can assist his religion through various means, don't you agree? Imam Khamenei speaks the truth and though they are islamophobics, they became a means of conveying the message.

Debater Slayer said:
Khamenei? Really? Since when have criminal tyrants become worthy of anything other than contempt and rejection?
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Criminal tyrants? You must be speaking about US and Zionist regimes. Because I don't see any tyranny on the Leader's part.

However, let's say you believe he is, does it really matter? What he speaks about the rapist zionist criminal regime is truth, and the solution he mentions is the only one.

thanks. ma salam
 
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