Paranormal activity

[1137]

So I have noticed that people use paranormal activity, mainly ghost experiences (is there any other kind?) as evidence for a soul, an astral body, or even other supernatural forces. Some pass it off as demons, others say it proves that there is a soul or that consciousness can survive death. Then, of course, others say it is all nonsense, misinterpretations or tricks of the mind.

I personally do not believe in these hopeful concepts such as consciousness survival. I do not believe in souls, I definitely do not believe in angels and demons. But I have had ghostly experiences all my life, many that I cannot explain or rationalize away without abandoning my love for logic, evidence, and intelligence. So I wanted to reconcile this with my lack of belief in supernatural and magical nonsense. What I came up with is extremely basic since I am not an expert on the more advanced aspects.

My theory is vague currently. I posit that 'ghosts' are caused pretty much by a glitch in the system that is this third dimensional reality as we perceive it. Time is an illusion that we experience here, it does not exist. I say that when you see a ghost, which is usually not a clear image, it is existing in the past and somehow is observable in our third dimensional space. This explains, also, why ghost seem to linger in places they spend a significant amount of time in.

Obviously, I currently cannot explain this 'glitch'.

Discuss.

 

[Twilight Hue]

My take on ghosts and such is there are natural explainations such as gravitional fluxes and mental matrixing to mention a few. I have a great interest in the phenomena yet it's limited to what real science has addressed so far which isn't much aside from a few general observations.

 

[Bob Dixon]

My take on ghosts and such is there are natural explainations such as gravitional fluxes and mental matrixing to mention a few. I have a great interest in the phenomena yet it's limited to what real science has addressed so far which isn't much aside from a few general observations.

Dude... what?

 

[The Sum of Awe]

I always believed ghosts are some type of animal that wasn't really discovered much about yet, and they are not a solid in state of matter, they are a gas form, that's part of the reason why scientists haven't looked into them.

But now I simply don't believe in them, other than metaphorical creatures.

 

[1137]

My take on ghosts and such is there are natural explainations such as gravitional fluxes and mental matrixing to mention a few. I have a great interest in the phenomena yet it's limited to what real science has addressed so far which isn't much aside from a few general observations.

My theory is doing just that, although I would say time or spacial fluctuations. I just know that something has to explain it cause "ghosts don't exist" isn't enough.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Dude... what?

Mental matrixing sounds a bit like "viewing through a stained glass of paradigms".

AKA: if you believe in ghosts, you will interpret events as ghosts.

 

[1137]

AKA: if you believe in ghosts, you will interpret events as ghosts.

False. I believe in "ghosts" and have shown numerous events to be explained by perfectly normal occurances. It is possible to be open minded and believe in objective truth(s).

 

[Gjallarhorn]

False. I believe in "ghosts" and have shown numerous events to be explained by perfectly normal occurances. It is possible to be open minded and believe in objective truth(s).

Yes, but it doesn't make those beliefs right simply because they posit objective truth.

 

[1137]

Yes, but it doesn't make those beliefs right simply because they posit objective truth.

No but when you get to a certain point where there is no other answer you can either except it and try to explain it or let logic turn on you. It can go from a friend to enemy in no time flat.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Dude... what?

Ok. Gravity is a force and forces can fluctuate givin the right conditions. Mental matrixing is seeing or hearing patterns and attributing it as something it's not. Like faces in clouds or from patterns cast via light and shadow. Hearing voices out of white noise. Even meditation of which is referred to as mayko. Ghost hunters oftentimes stay quiet for protracted periods allowing for matrixing.

 

[arthra]

The doors of perception wrote:

I personally do not believe in these hopeful concepts such as consciousness survival. I do not believe in souls, I definitely do not believe in angels and demons. But I have had ghostly experiences all my life, many that I cannot explain or rationalize away without abandoning my love for logic, evidence, and intelligence.

You know that's very curious that you don't believe in "coinsciousness survival" ...don't believe in souls and have had "ghostly experiences" all your life!

In my case I believe in the soul and consciousness and am probably a lot older than you... and never had one ghostly experience!

My suggestion:

Maybe you should analyse these ghostly experiences you've had and write them down.. share them with a trusted person like a therapist and see what comes of it... My guess is there are messages in these ghostly experiences you've been having.

 

[1137]

Ok. Gravity is a force and forces can fluctuate givin the right conditions. Mental matrixing is seeing or hearing patterns and attributing it as something it's not. Like faces in clouds or from patterns cast via light and shadow. Hearing voices out of white noise. Even meditation of which is referred to as mayko. Ghost hunters oftentimes stay quiet for protracted periods allowing for matrixing.

Ugh, don't get me started on ghost hunters

The doors of perception wrote:

I personally do not believe in these hopeful concepts such as consciousness survival. I do not believe in souls, I definitely do not believe in angels and demons. But I have had ghostly experiences all my life, many that I cannot explain or rationalize away without abandoning my love for logic, evidence, and intelligence.

You know that's very curious that you don't believe in "coinsciousness survival" ...don't believe in souls and have had "ghostly experiences" all your life!

In my case I believe in the soul and consciousness and am probably a lot older than you... and never had one ghostly experience!

My suggestion:

Maybe you should analyse these ghostly experiences you've had and write them down.. share them with a trusted person like a therapist and see what comes of it... My guess is there are messages in these ghostly experiences you've been having.

I don't know anyone who knows me more than a little who hasn't heard of some of the experiences. In fact many have experienced things as well. It has nothing to do with what you believe, what you believe only has to do with how you explain it.

Also, what possible message could there be?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Ugh, don't get me started on ghost hunters

*grin* I have a few "opinions" myself. He he...

 

[George-ananda]

Well, let me start by saying I believe ghosts exist. Too many sane people have reported many of the same things and there is definately a phenomenon to be addressed (natural or beyond what we consider natural). They typically report the same entity multiple times in the same locale.

Most typically I find they are of people who suffered a violent sudden death or suicide in mid-life rather than dying peacefully in old age. They often don't want to move on and are bitter about something and they stay as close to the earth plane as possible.

I believe in concious survival of death and ghosts are just one area of evidence (and not the strongest area in my opinion).

 

[arthra]

Ugh, don't get me started on ghost hunters



I don't know anyone who knows me more than a little who hasn't heard of some of the experiences. In fact many have experienced things as well. It has nothing to do with what you believe, what you believe only has to do with how you explain it.

Also, what possible message could there be?

Unless you record and collect your "ghostly experiences" and share thme with a trusted person you will never know!

 

[George-ananda]

But I have had ghostly experiences all my life, many that I cannot explain or rationalize away without abandoning my love for logic, evidence, and intelligence.

Abandoning logic and intelligence??????? Never do that.

Explain to me how it is abandoning logic and inteligence to believe:

'After careful objective study, I believe there are phenomena observed in the world that can not be explained by our current science. It also appears that sceince may need some dramatic new concepts to explain these phenomenas.'

You can differ with the above belief but you can not say it is illogical, irrational or unintelligent.

 

[1137]

Well, let me start by saying I believe ghosts exist. Too many sane people have reported many of the same things and there is definately a phenomenon to be addressed (natural or beyond what we consider natural). They typically report the same entity multiple times in the same locale.

Most typically I find they are of people who suffered a violent sudden death or suicide in mid-life rather than dying peacefully in old age. They often don't want to move on and are bitter about something and they stay as close to the earth plane as possible.

I believe in concious survival of death and ghosts are just one area of evidence (and not the strongest area in my opinion).

You haven't addressed the less supernatural theory that I put forth, which makes anti-scientific theories unnecessary.

Abandoning logic and intelligence??????? Never do that.

Explain to me how it is abandoning logic and inteligence to believe:

'After careful objective study, I believe there are phenomena observed in the world that can not be explained by our current science. It also appears that sceince may need some dramatic new concepts to explain these phenomenas.'

You can differ with the above belief but you can not say it is illogical, irrational or unintelligent.

That's exactly what I did say. But rather than renconcile a personally undeniable truth with unscientific, supernatural reason I have tried to do the opposite. I said I was abandoning logic, evidence, and intelligence if I personally denied something is going on.

 

[Twilight Hue]

My personal experiences to date as remembered:

*Forcefully pushed in my bed when tried to sit up. Twice. (Childhood)
*Two ufo's flew close over my head at high speed without stopping. (Childhood)
*Growls from left side of garage when approached. (Childhood)
*Two occasions where I saw what are called shadow people. (Teen)
*Growl by window a day or two from second shadow person sighting. (Teen)
*My sister had this creepy doll once and I swear it once blinked. (Teen)
*My name called out on multiple occasions where I responded. (Adult)
*I heard an orchestra once whereas no radio or tv was on. No noise from neighbors. (Adult)
*Huge bang in my house both heard by myself and my wife with no explanation as to what the cause even after an extensive investigation. (Adult )
*Strong smell of perfume on one occasion. (Adult )

In spite of all the above you would think I would be a believer and in one respect I am as far as the occurances go. Yet I still maintain a natural cause for each. I won't diss those who believe because at least I can meet you halfway as far as experiencing creepy stuff goes. Just I come to differing explanations. :0)

 

[George-ananda]

You haven't addressed the less supernatural theory that I put forth, which makes anti-scientific theories unnecessary.

My problem with your 'less superbatural theory' is that it doesn't account for continuation of conciousness without a physical brain which I believe is strongly supported by the paranormal evidence.

No theory I would ever consider would be 'anti-scientific' as you put it. I believe the universe does work scientifically but we don't know all the science yet.

That's exactly what I did say. But rather than renconcile a personally undeniable truth with unscientific, supernatural reason I have tried to do the opposite. I said I was abandoning logic, evidence, and intelligence if I personally denied something is going on.

Ok, I might have mis-read the wording in your statement. Sorry about that.

 

[1137]

My problem with your 'less superbatural theory' is that it doesn't account for continuation of conciousness without a physical brain which I believe is strongly supported by the paranormal evidence.

No theory I would ever consider would be 'anti-scientific' as you put it. I believe the universe does work scientifically but we don't know all the science yet.

You are not thinking logically. You have assumed what the conclusion is (consciousness is separate from the brain) and are trying to make the premises fit. This theory is a much simpler explanation (and possibly in line with theoretical physics) than things that are blatantly not in line with science. Science shows that consciousness is a product of the brain, so that will never not be the case, so saying otherwise will never be in line with science.