Parenting license

[TagliatelliMonster]

I'm saying that children have rights, including the right to believe (or not believe) as they so choose.

And they do.

It's one thing for parents to be caretakers or teachers to their children, but when they turn into indoctrinators, that seems to cross the line, in my opinion.

Owkay. This seems to cover about 90% of parents, ever, everywhere.

No, of course, abuse is not allowed in the U.S., but it's not always that easy to readily identify or enforce in any meaningful way. One might hear of some of the more extreme and atrocious examples being found out and arrested, but only after years of damage have already been caused.

So what do you suggest then?

 

[Wu Wei]

My ex-wife worked in Child Protective Services and she often talked about how she felt people should be required to have a Parenting license.

 

[Estro Felino]

lol, where the F do you get all this nonsense.....................................

I see that in Belgium you have wonderful parents. Congratulations.
Mother of the year: Geneviève Lhermitte - Wikipedia

 

[Estro Felino]

My ex-wife worked in Child Protective Services and she often talked about how she felt people should be required to have a Parenting license.

Thank you.
Only those who work in the field know how incredibly challenging it is.

 

[Alien826]

I expected you to say that it's a Nazi idea. Or a fascist idea.

Not in itself, but we need to be very careful about creating powerful Government entities that can be misused when a less well-meaning group gains power. Like many here I think, my first reaction was to imagine it in the hands of the Nazis. Permits only issued to "aryan" couples, no Jews, Negroes, Gypsies, people with disabilities, and so on.

Now imagine a Christian Nationalist takeover. Protestant married couples only?

While not disagreeing with your intentions, I feel that education is a better way to go.

 

[Estro Felino]

Not in itself, but we need to be very careful about creating powerful Government entities that can be misused when a less well-meaning group gains power. Like many here I think, my first reaction was to imagine it in the hands of the Nazis. Permits only issued to "aryan" couples, no Jews, Negroes, Gypsies, people with disabilities, and so on.

Now imagine a Christian Nationalist takeover. Protestant married couples only?

While not disagreeing with your intentions, I feel that education is a better way to go.

Yes.
That can be easily solved by creating a team of psychologists representing all ethnic groups. To avoid discrimination.
It would be psychologists, not police officers taking decisions.

 

[Alien826]

Yes.
That can be easily solved by creating a team of psychologists representing all ethnic groups. To avoid discrimination.
It would be psychologists, not police officers taking decisions.

Seriously? Who would appoint the psychologists? In the USA we have a Supreme Court that is supposed to stand "above" and correct what Government and lower levels of judges do. It has worked, to a limited extent, over the years but look at it now. Some clever people realized that it stood in the way of their getting what they wanted and now we have a SC that pretty much supports one section of the community to the detriment of everyone else.

If a bad actor wants to use a mechanism to his own benefit, and has enough power, he simply removes the safeguards.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? is a Latin phrase found in the Satires (Satire VI, lines 347–348), a work of the 1st–2nd century Roman poet Juvenal. It may be translated as "Who will guard the guards themselves?" or "Who will watch the watchmen?".

 

[amorphous_constellation]

???

And that is related to the human rights point, how exactly?

Less free space means less what

 

[Estro Felino]

Less free space means less what

I was born in the eighties.
Back then the population was 4 billion. Now it has doubled.

And since then I have been trying to improve my life in all means possible. Having sex has been the last of my thoughts.
Whereas the rest of the world did nothing but multiply exponentially.

But we are the selfish...according to them.
Wow...

 

[Stevicus]

And they do.

Not until they're 18. Prior to that, they live according to the whims of their parents.

Owkay. This seems to cover about 90% of parents, ever, everywhere.

Not sure how you arrive at a figure of 90%.

So what do you suggest then?

Well, for one thing, I think we should at least disabuse society of the notion that "parents always know what's best for their children." That might be a good start.

 

[Estro Felino]

What Italians decide to do is their own business, but I personally think the last thing we need in the US is another government entity.

I was speaking of the EU countries, specifically.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

I was born in the eighties.
Back then the population was 4 billion. Now it has doubled.

I remember when I was a kid, the town was full of woods, streams, free space.. and then they put up fences, and suburbs as I grew up.. roads were widened, noise increased. The place is totally different now, to how it was under 30 years ago

 

[amorphous_constellation]

That is not birth control and it is also not 100 %. There are Medical reasons for not doing it.

A medical abortion isn’t a safe option if you:

• Are too far along in your pregnancy.
• Are allergic to the medications used.
• Have a pregnancy outside of your uterus (ectopic pregnancy).
• Use long-term corticosteroids.
• Have an intrauterine device (IUD). (A medical abortion is an option if you have it removed.)
• Have a blood clotting disorder, significant anemia or chronic adrenal failure.

I haven't researched all of the variables on that, but my sense of it, is that there must be multiple options that can change across the many timeframes, and that these options might differ markedly in kind and variable. Birth control itself has many variables, multiplied in complexity, I would suppose, by the independent methods at work with both partners. So therefore I assume there is much more debate on this than your post is covering

 

[Estro Felino]

I remember when I was a kid, the town was full of woods, streams, free space.. and then they put up fences, and suburbs as I grew up.. roads were widened, noise increased. The place is totally different now, to how it was under 30 years ago

They will say it is racist to affirm that the US had fewer issues when it was just 250 million people.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

They will say it is racist to affirm that the US had fewer issues when it was just 250 million people.

I don't think race has anything to do with it, you lost me there. Population size is quantitative, obviously.. but I posit that life improves as space / resources increase. This means more freedom, and less social strain. If two or more cultures don't seem to get along, I think I've always mentioned that there is actually a space issue

 

[Heyo]

Having said all that... I doubt actual abuse of children is allowed in the US.

If letting your children die is abuse, then, yes, child abuse is allowed in the US.

(Religious rights of the parents trump the right to live of the children. If parents believe in faith healing and refuse medical treatment of their children, CPS can't take away the children.)

 

[Heyo]

I have been talking about my ideas about parenthood...and while debating with some of my friends and other acquaintances, they accused me of wanting to impose a parenting license on the citizens, so only the State can give the authorization to citizens to procreate.

I think it may sound Dystopian, of course.
But I don't think it would be a bad idea. I mean...after all...social services are very lacking in most EU countries.
(Let's say that the EU technocrats only care about banking and finance, they have no idea of what society is, unfortunately).

With a new budget package, a new Ministry of Infancy would potentiate a sector that has always been neglected.
A team of physicians and psychologists will give the license to these parents.

Thoughts?

First thought: The EU is one of the best places on Earth to have children. It could be better, but we have the best existing child care (on a country base, not EU), with lots of social security, free healthcare, free and fairly good education, etc.

 

[Heyo]

I have been talking about my ideas about parenthood...and while debating with some of my friends and other acquaintances, they accused me of wanting to impose a parenting license on the citizens, so only the State can give the authorization to citizens to procreate.

I think it may sound Dystopian, of course.
But I don't think it would be a bad idea. I mean...after all...social services are very lacking in most EU countries.
(Let's say that the EU technocrats only care about banking and finance, they have no idea of what society is, unfortunately).

With a new budget package, a new Ministry of Infancy would potentiate a sector that has always been neglected.
A team of physicians and psychologists will give the license to these parents.

Thoughts?

Second thought:

This is a bit hypothetical and futuristic, but I have a point.
Imagine you live on a space station or a generation ship en route to another solar system. Space is limited, air, water, food is limited and calculated for exactly the crew number that's there.
Do you think that the "human right" to procreate would trump the right of the rest of the crew to survive?
I think birth control would be one of the primary concerns.

The point being, we live on a (very big) station, hurtling through space, with limited resources. We have some reserves, but those are dwindling and don't get replaced. I.e. our current numbers are not sustainable. Should we have a right to procreate under these circumstances?

 

[GoodAttention]

Second thought:

This is a bit hypothetical and futuristic, but I have a point.
Imagine you live on a space station or a generation ship en route to another solar system. Space is limited, air, water, food is limited and calculated for exactly the crew number that's there.
Do you think that the "human right" to procreate would trump the right of the rest of the crew to survive?
I think birth control would be one of the primary concerns.

The point being, we live on a (very big) station, hurtling through space, with limited resources. We have some reserves, but those are dwindling and don't get replaced. I.e. our current numbers are not sustainable. Should we have a right to procreate under these circumstances?

I would hope by then genetic testing and “building” humans ala Gattaca would be in full swing at the very least.

 

[Estro Felino]

First thought: The EU is one of the best places on Earth to have children. It could be better, but we have the best existing child care (on a country base, not EU), with lots of social security, free healthcare, free and fairly good education, etc.

That's exactly the point. Social services that we could improve if we were much fewer.
What I mean is that now the EU member states are obsessed with births. They give the state aid to incentivize births. But let's be honest about that: only citizens with foreign background or migrants make babies because they are drawn by that state aid for mothers (at least here, but I bet that in Germany it's foreigners who have children the most too).

But people forget of the elderly. Often abandoned in some old people's home. Do you know why? Because the EU has destroyed the Social State so they spend money on births because they need future slaves to exploit and to be squeezed by banks like lemons.
They don't need old people.

And yet the State could invest in the elderly daycare. But the EU obeys the banking cabal.