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Parents Rights On Transgender Policy

Do Parents Have The Right To Be Informed About Gender Change Identy

  • Yes

    Votes: 16 43.2%
  • No

    Votes: 20 54.1%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 1 2.7%

  • Total voters
    37
  • Poll closed .

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
This still seems to be based on a pre-existing assumption that gender identity is a "social contagion" or that education about it is indoctrination. I don't see it much differently from how I see education about other aspects of human psychology, and merely educating people about something and telling them it exists aren't synonymous with asking them to identify with it.
I see Gender Ideology as the social contagion. The idea that gender is a construct has become a social contagion due to its spread from academia throughout society.
That scenario also doesn't take into account the children who may be genuinely living with gender dysphoria.
I sure as heck don't want elementary school teachers deciding! Since when did mere school teacher become experts in gender studies, enough to determine a condition that is not clear to many EXPERTS.
Ideally, I agree that parents should know about this. In practice, there are many parents who would either deny the medical issue or try to just make it "go away" using a host of unevidenced, abusive practices. That's where my concern lies.
Problematic parents will always be problematic. This particular topic is getting under the skin of ordinary, average people and invading their sense of propriety, fair play, trust etc... Parents send their kids to school to get an education not to be made into someone's "science" experiment.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
No one is doing that, that is not a thing. Not even possible if someone wanted to do it. I don't know what sick propaganda you are reading, but you can't "trans" somebody.
I do understand that to your perspective, this is not happening. I understand that no one can "trans" a kid. Got it. It is an internal condition of gender dysphoria. Got it. What I am meaning here is that kids who would have never otherwise thought about any of this drivel are now presented with these ideas as if they are real because what they being taught is "the science". I cannot think of any reason to bring up Gender Identity or Gender Expression to a person who is not an adult. It's not something a person really needs to know about, let alone hyper-focus on it endlessly.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
I see Gender Ideology as the social contagion. The idea that gender is a construct has become a social contagion due to its spread from academia throughout society.

And the idea that many aspects of gender are social is indeed the current scientific position, so dismissing it as "ideology" is what strikes me as an ideological position. Generally, men and women express themselves in, say, Thailand and France differently from how men and women express themselves in Saudi Arabia and Ghana. I'm not sure why this would be a novel or radical idea.

I sure as heck don't want elementary school teachers deciding! Since when did mere school teacher become experts in gender studies, enough to determine a condition that is not clear to many EXPERTS.

Where does the ruling imply that teachers have to decide anything? They simply don't have to tell parents about a child's gender identity. Said identity could be a result of transitory exploration or a more deep-rooted and permanent source, such as gender dysphoria.

Problematic parents will always be problematic. This particular topic is getting under the skin of ordinary, average people and invading their sense of propriety, fair play, trust etc... Parents send their kids to school to get an education not to be made into someone's "science" experiment.

I don't know how all of this follows from "teachers don't have to tell parents about a child's gender identity." I see no experimentation, indoctrination, or any other sinister plan in this case.

Also, many parents have no problem exploring and talking with their children about the latter's identity. If the people you're describing as "ordinary, average people" dismiss psychology and science in favor of calling the unfamiliar a "delusion" and suppressing it without much or any discussion, it sounds to me like the problem may not be with the schools.
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
A New Jersy judge ruled that three schoold districts do not have to inform parents if their child changes their gender identity.
I for one believe that parents have the right to know what their child is doing or what they want to do in any situation. What rights do you think parents have in this manner??
This is the dark side of affirmative action. The judge may not have been qualified to be a judge, but thanks to affirmative action and DEI, they get the job. However they are now beholden to those who made it possible. The result is an idiotic quid poor quo decision to appease their host.

If a child can choose to alter sex or gender without parent consent, say the transgender child was to break a window, are the parents liable for the damage, since they did not have any voice? Does the judge have to pay, since that bonehead seems to know that child better?

The insanity of the Left is not going to last much longer. After Hillary lost and the failed Russian Collusion Coup, the radical Left was let out of its cage, as their more centrist handlers got sloppy. The far Left is trying desperately to get everything done, before the inevitable plug is pulled and justice is served. You guys are insane.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
what I am meaning here is that kids who would have never otherwise thought about any of this drivel are now presented with these ideas
Also complete nonsense. But in addition to being garbage, not what we are talking about.

Do you agree that teaching math, science, history, reading etc and not getting involved in their students sexuality?

If you agree with that then you can't at the same time argue that teachers need to deal with their students personal issues.

You can't have it both ways.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
I voted, "Yes!"

I cannot think of a much more an insidious thing than for teachers/schools to "trans" a kid behind their parent's back and without the parents' knowledge. To my thinking, that is almost the definition of "evil". Since when did teachers become qualified to render an opinion on the matter, and who is to say they have the requisite training? Now, if only the poor kids could read, write and do simple math. At least they know about unlimited gender options.
The question is not about whether teachers or schools are "trans"-ing kids -- that is way beyond their pay grade. The question is only whether, when the teacher/school finds out that a child is acting out a changed gender identity, they must inform the parents. The teacher is not qualified to provide care, but nor is the teacher qualified to determine whether outing the child to their parents is going to result in good or harm to that child. That is a risk they should not be willing to take.
 
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YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
And the idea that many aspects of gender are social is indeed the current scientific position, so dismissing it as "ideology" is what strikes me as an ideological position. Generally, men and women express themselves in, say, Thailand and France differently from how men and women express themselves in Saudi Arabia and Ghana. I'm not sure why this would be a novel or radical idea.
LOL. The idea itself is not radical. What is radical is how far gender identity is being stretched in today's world. (Hehe. Next, you will be telling me that men can have periods.)

Where does the ruling imply that teachers have to decide anything? They simply don't have to tell parents about a child's gender identity. Said identity could be a result of transitory exploration or a more deep-rooted and permanent source, such as gender dysphoria.
This is like pulling hen's teeth. The teachers do decide there is a problem if they feel a need to withhold information from a parent. Said identity could also be a mood of the day, too.
I don't know how all of this follows from "teachers don't have to tell parents about a child's gender identity." I see no experimentation, indoctrination, or any other sinister plan in this case.
There are some things you do not have to tell me.
Also, many parents have no problem exploring and talking with their children about the latter's identity. If the people you're describing as "ordinary, average people" dismiss psychology and science in favor of calling the unfamiliar a "delusion" and suppressing it without much or any discussion, it sounds to me like the problem may not be with the schools.
That strikes as a very cavalier attitude towards parents. As long as they are affirming, all is well and good. Such binary thinking is unintentionally hilarious.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Also complete nonsense. But in addition to being garbage, not what we are talking about.
Thanks. Good to know. Sadly, I'm not smart like you folks.
Do you agree that teaching math, science, history, reading etc and not getting involved in their students sexuality?
100%
If you agree with that then you can't at the same time argue that teachers need to deal with their students personal issues.
Where was I arguing for this?
You can't have it both ways.
Good to know. Thanks.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
This is like pulling hen's teeth. The teachers do decide there is a problem if they feel a need to withhold information from a parent. Said identity could also be a mood of the day, too.
Another excellent reason why they should not be required to inform the parents. They could be creating a lot of problems over nothing.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
The question is not about whether teachers or schools are "trans"-ing kids -- that is way beyond their pay grade. The question is only whether, when the teacher/school finds out that a child is acting out a changed gender identity. The teacher is not qualified to provide care, but nor is the teacher qualified to determine whether outing the child to their parents is going to result in good or harm to that child. That is a risk they should not be willing to take.
I'm not big on a stranger insinuating themselves between parents and their children.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
A New Jersy judge ruled that three schoold districts do not have to inform parents if their child changes their gender identity.
I for one believe that parents have the right to know what their child is doing or what they want to do in any situation. What rights do you think parents have in this manner??
Another example of government control over one's own children.

Parents have the absolute right to be informed about their children until they reach adulthood.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Another excellent reason why they should not be required to inform the parents. They could be creating a lot of problems over nothing.
OK. We are getting somewhere. I agree.

NOW... I'd be willing to go along with...

If they do no inform parents over minor personal choices then, at the same time, they should also not encourage any such gender identity related behaviours.
 

Alien826

No religious beliefs
If a child can choose to alter sex or gender without parent consent, say the transgender child was to break a window, are the parents liable for the damage, since they did not have any voice? Does the judge have to pay, since that bonehead seems to know that child better?

Why would a teacher who decided to withhold information about a child's gender identity extend that to acts of violence? Unless you think that transgender kids are inherently violent?
 
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