Parents Rights On Transgender Policy

[fantome profane]

We were doing so well, for a second, too... I maintain that by teaching SOGI123 in BC schools they are already "encouraging" this thinking by normalizing the ideas themselves.

British Columbia | SOGI 123

bc.sogieducation.org

Big difference between not discriminating against transgender children and encouraging cis children to be transgender.

 

[fantome profane]

Maybe we shouldn't be putting kids into this position in the first place.

Exactly!!!!!!!

Teachers should not be putting children into that position by outing them.

 

[SkepticThinker]

We were doing so well, for a second, too... I maintain that by teaching SOGI123 in BC schools they are already "encouraging" this thinking by normalizing the ideas themselves.

British Columbia | SOGI 123

bc.sogieducation.org

Can you point to something specific?

 

[Link]

I sometimes can't wait to die because of these type of things. Wish I wouldn't hear of such things.

 

[Father Heathen]

Maybe we shouldn't be putting kids into this position in the first place.

You're right. We shouldn't be activating their trans or gay modes.

Oh, wait.

 

[sun rise]

I'm not sure. I don't think that parents own their children, and I believe children have some rights. Although the parents may eventually find out anyway.

I vote unsure. How old is the child? Is there evidence that there's an abusive parent? How did the teacher find out?

Rather than a rigid rule, I would prefer a school counselor/nurse talk with the child, find out the background including history and how the school learned about it and especially including how they feel about talking with their parents. I would also prefer the revelation done with the help of a counselor/psychologist.

I see Gender Ideology as the social contagion. The idea that gender is a construct has become a social contagion due to its spread from academia throughout society.

From my reincarnationist framework, a soul takes male and female forms. And in some cases the expression of gender involves female elements being expressed through a male form and visa versa. Thus LGBTQ to me is in a sense normal. The presence of same sex relationships in the animal kingdom shows that life is not black/white.

So I think we should focus less on gender issues especially remove them from the political sphere and place them firmly in the psychological arena.

 

[Alien826]

The question is not about whether teachers or schools are "trans"-ing kids -- that is way beyond their pay grade. The question is only whether, when the teacher/school finds out that a child is acting out a changed gender identity. The teacher is not qualified to provide care, but nor is the teacher qualified to determine whether outing the child to their parents is going to result in good or harm to that child. That is a risk they should not be willing to take.

I haven't seen this put forward here, but maybe the kid that has loving tolerant parents has already discussed it with them? And how about asking the kid, "Have you talked to your parents about this?" and if the kids says "No" then asking "Why not?". The decision could then be based on the information received, not some black and white rule.

 

[YmirGF]

Big difference between not discriminating against transgender children and encouraging cis children to be transgender.

But that is a miniscule part of the population, and yet we have literally upended our social ideas to accommodate this infinitesimal group. It's akin to using a nuclear weapon on a Tse-Tse fly.

 

[crossfire]

When it comes to extracurricular activities, such as sports or clubs, I do believe that parental consent is required.

 

[YmirGF]

So I think we should focus less on gender issues especially remove them from the political sphere and place them firmly in the psychological arena.

And out of the schools too.

 

[fantome profane]

But that is a miniscule part of the population, and yet we have literally upended our social ideas to accommodate this infinitesimal group. It's akin to using a nuclear weapon on a Tse-Tse fly.

Nonsense. The link you posted involves the entire population, tolerance for transgender and for cis, tolerance for heterosexual and homosexual.

And tolerance is not akin to a nuclear weapon.

 

[Father Heathen]

Big difference between not discriminating against transgender children and encouraging cis children to be transgender.

The latter makes zero sense and doesn't actually happen, of course. Nobody would have anything to gain from doing so and It would also imply that it's a choice. The imbeciles who believe that are the same imbeciles who believe playing rock albums backwards casts satanic spells.

 

[YmirGF]

When it comes to extracurricular activities, such as sports or clubs, I do believe that parental consent is required.

It's almost as if they put "Affirmative care" on the same playing field as the above.

Nonsense. The link you posted involves the entire population, tolerance for transgender and for cis, tolerance for heterosexual and homosexual.

And tolerance is not akin to a nuclear weapon.

I don't recall comparing nuclear weapons to tolerance. Good work.

 

[Father Heathen]

But that is a miniscule part of the population, and yet we have literally upended our social ideas to accommodate this infinitesimal group. It's akin to using a nuclear weapon on a Tse-Tse fly.

What exactly has been upended?

 

[YmirGF]

What exactly has been upended?

Our concepts of gender?

 

[Alien826]

But that is a miniscule part of the population, and yet we have literally upended our social ideas to accommodate this infinitesimal group. It's akin to using a nuclear weapon on a Tse-Tse fly.

Could you answer a simple question, upon which this whole thing appears to hinge? Do you think that gender dysphoria is a real thing or not?

If the answer is "no", then what you say may be justified, though I'd recommend just ignoring it because it would go away naturally along with most other childish behaviors. If "yes", then it's no different from any other "rare" condition that needs medical treatment and the tolerance of society. Those that have it need medical treatment and should get it and the rest of us should know enough about it treat them with tolerance and understanding.

 

[fantome profane]

Our concepts of gender?

Transgender people have existed since people have existed.

This wasn't such a big deal until conservative politicians decided this was the new issue they could use to get the bigot vote.

 

[Father Heathen]

Our concepts of gender?

Science, reason, understanding, etc. has upended many things throughout history. It's how society evolves.

 

[YmirGF]

Could you answer a simple question, upon which this whole thing appears to hinge?

I could give it a try.

Do you think that gender dysphoria is a real thing or not?

Yes, it is a real thing. VERY rare, but a real thing.

If the answer is "no", then what you say may be justified, though I'd recommend just ignoring it because it would go away naturally along with most other childish behaviors.

Whew.

If "yes", then it's no different from any other "rare" condition that needs medical treatment and the tolerance of society. Those that have it need medical treatment and should get it and the rest of us should know enough about it treat them with tolerance and understanding.

Agreed. So? What?

 

[Alien826]

Our concepts of gender?

Seriously, why does that matter?