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Paris attack: Two Muslim women are stabbed under the Eiffel Tower

Hellbound Serpiente

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Yep...... You saw this coming.....
So did I........

This is almost like an incident which I can vaguely recalled happened around 9-10 years ago when I was a Muslim. Some people decided to build a mosque near ground zeroes [where the world trade center was located (I think?)]. And a backlash followed the incident. I can't remember exactly what happened since it's nearly a decade ago, but some Christian did something provocative to Muslims and became a headliner. Can't remember what he did, though.

Seriously, all these terrorism and fighting is backlash, venting out of anger, vengeance, and bitterness, ignorance and other factors. Religions are not mainly at fault. Even the devil can quote the bible.
 

Hellbound Serpiente

Active Member
One more reason to love atheism.
Seriously...as a theist I envy atheists for being above all this.

I don't think atheists are above this. Take Communist China and the harm they have done to mankind, for example. I am fairly sure each [atheist] member Chinese Communist Party [and even some nationals etc.] also support extreme actions taken by them. It's not just false religion that is guilty of it, ideologies that are inherently godless and atheistic in general is also guilty. The main cause, again in my humble opinion, is ignorance and arrogance [and group loyalty, herd mentality etc.].
 

ADigitalArtist

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What I'm saying is that the Russians aren't afraid to be seen as harsh, whereas you have many in the West blaming the victims of Islamist terrorism and bending over backwards to try and appease the jihadists (like thinking it should be prohibited to draw pics of Muhammad, when we have no problem constantly blaspheming the Trinity, Jesus and Mary in far more obscene ways and that is our own cultural heritage). I have seen this multiple times on this forum. There's a certain spinelessness that is very popular in the West today, especially in Europe.
Middle Eastern countries resisting 'PC influences' aren't afraid of seeming harsh either. The only difference between Russia and them is which brand of bigotry they allow.
I'm a big fan of avoiding victim blaming. But not if that only includes victims of Islamic extremism and not victims of right wing or Christian extremism who happen to also be Muslim.

And while I also am a big fan of free speech I'm also not opposed to telling people not to be intentionally a dick to other people.
 

Saint Frankenstein

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Middle Eastern countries resisting 'PC influences' aren't afraid of seeming harsh either. The only difference between Russia and them is which brand of bigotry they allow.
I'm a big fan of avoiding victim blaming. But not if that only includes victims of Islamic extremism and not victims of right wing or Christian extremism who happen to also be Muslim.

And while I also am a big fan of free speech I'm also not opposed to telling people not to be intentionally a dick to other people.
I don't think you're understanding what I'm trying to say and I thought it was clear.
 
The one guy had shown pictures of Muhammed or something to the classroom, and the two women were just afraid of some dogs and irritated some lunatics carrying knives for some reason. I don't know, but one of them seems to have had some twisted reasoning behind it, the other seems to be two psychos feeling like stabbing some random innocents for fun. I wonder if they would have stabbed tourists from East Asia for saying something about their dogs or whatever, I'm thinking they might have actually, or even other white people. I don't think this crime really sounds like it was strongly motivated or pre-meditated based on ethnicity or headscarves, which may have aggravated the lunatics more since they were probably racists too but were mainly just psychos. They seem like totally different crimes, and I don't even really perceive this as being strongly related to the ever-present tension with Muslims existing in Europe and France for years now. I think this crime could have happened even before this beheading incident, even before the "War on Terror" potentially, as French have long been pretty racist at times and some people are hot-head crazies carrying knives (maybe to defend from rapes?) which they are prepared to use on civilians and bystanders. So what is the lesson here? Don't ask anyone to move their scary dogs unless you're prepared for a battle to the death with a possible looney.

And yes, these women were nutcases, no one can tell me "no these women were perfectly sane, sober-minded, intelligent people, who were so aggravated by a request to move or control their dogs that they happened to magically generate knives to stab other women with" they were freaking flat out crazy people just waiting for the moment to do something insane and land themselves in jail (possibly again).

I hide my religion, I hide my opinions, I hide everything, I try never to look weird or odd, all because I deeply fear lunatics wandering the streets (and "druggies") and all unhinged, low class, degenerates trying to pick fights with people.

In especially dangerous areas, it becomes necessary or a potentially useful option to carry a concealed weapon that can double as something excusable and carried with some supposed cause, like a pair of scissors or a screwdriver, and a prayer to Chaos that no instance will emerge where it becomes necessary to use these devices to harm people or animals.

I also try to look like a white person in white areas, and whatever else in other areas, and when I see a scary vagabond hobbling towards me, I try to limp and look like a crazy homeless person myself, and this is so that I don't get asked anything, all in the name of comfort and survival.

When I see a worm, I wiggle on the ground and pick it up and try to take it to a better location so that it doesn't get stepped on, and when I see a bird, I look like a bird. Skinwalker.
 
What I'm saying is that the Russians aren't afraid to be seen as harsh, whereas you have many in the West blaming the victims of Islamist terrorism and bending over backwards to try and appease the jihadists (like thinking it should be prohibited to draw pics of Muhammad, when we have no problem constantly blaspheming the Trinity, Jesus and Mary in far more obscene ways and that is our own cultural heritage). I have seen this multiple times on this forum. There's a certain spinelessness that is very popular in the West today, especially in Europe.

Yeah, and I bet that picture of Muhammed looked more like his daddy than it did Muhammed, who probably looks like a skeleton or a pile of dirt right now if we're going to be accurate.
 
I don't think you're understanding what I'm trying to say and I thought it was clear.
So, just out of curiosity, are you pro-full freedom to make cartoons as racist and offensive as possible (I am, because I laugh at how twisted hate can make people's exaggerations) or are you pro-censoring all the hate-filled irreverent anti-religious type purposefully offensive type stuff showing Jesus negatively or grotesquely or Muhammed or Buddha or whatever?

These are the two choices I'm offering:
Pro-Total A-hole Freedom to depict whatever however graphic to whoever and boo hoo.
Pro-Total censorship and caution and if someone says "hey that is offensive!" you take it down right away and shake in your little boots.

I'm actually not part of either group and could support one or the other at any time, just for the hell of it. I don't give a hoot about Muhammed's depictions because Islam officially tells what I deem as blasphemous lies about Muhammed in the first place, which is offensive to me, and I'd like to burn their books about it and censor them. Same goes for what I perceive as lies about Jesus told by Christians which are utterly offensive to me. So some imbecile making fake pictures of people they have never seen means even less to me than what the people who claim to love these people perpetrate and spread about them, same goes for Jews and the things they say about Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, and the rest.

They can't be shut up and censored and silenced, so why should the new generation of hideous liars and creatives?
 

Hellbound Serpiente

Active Member
I don't think this crime really sounds like it was strongly motivated or pre-meditated based on ethnicity or headscarves, which may have aggravated the lunatics more since they were probably racists too but were mainly just psychos.

The same can be said about Islamic terrorism. Besides, I don't think statements like --- "Dirty Arabs, go home to your own country." has ever been used in most [if not all] such incidents before the beheading of the teacher and mass Islamophobia that followed. I am fairly sure the argument was most likely just an excuse and/or a convenient catalyst for venting out of anger and bitterness over the beheading incident.
 
The same can be said about Islamic terrorism. Besides, I don't think statements like --- "Dirty Arabs, go home to your own country." has ever been used in most [if not all] such incidents before the beheading of the teacher and mass Islamophobia that followed. I am fairly sure some venting out of anger and bitterness over the beheading incident is involved in this incident.
Probably, but I think they've been saying bad stuff against arabs and swearing at them since before this particular incident, though this incident may have contributed, I can imagine them hating arabs and saying such stuff even the day before the incident, or potentially before the War on Terror, but yeah, maybe the very recent incident also added to it a bit, but I just think they were holding knives and pissed with all foreigners (because of being low class racist scum) even before the incident probably. Just a guess, maybe its all fake and they were government agents (but that doesn't even need to be the case, since French people are total racists here in Canada too).
 

Stevicus

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When I was a Muslim, some non-Muslim friends of mine not only showed me satiric pictures of Prophet Muhammad S.A.W., but also showed me videos and pictures of burning and desecration of the Holy Qur'an, and some videos staring porn-actress Valery Vita desecrating The Holy Qur'an. I laughed out loud [literally] at the pictures of Prophet Muhammad S.A.W., wasn't even slightly bothered by the videos and pictures of what they did with the Qur'an, and erm ... got off to Valery Vita's antics and became a big fan of her, all thanks to them.

I never heard of Valery Vita before.

Personally, I can't see myself drawing pictures of Muhammad or burning the Quran. I wouldn't even burn a flag.

I don't know why non-Muslims thinks that just because you hold Islamic beliefs, you'd prone to violence towards such things. There are over a billion of Muslims, and how many of them committing terrorism? A very few percentage.

I agree, although there have been enough acts of violence to get people's attention. Sometimes that's all it takes. But I also try to put it into perspective whenever I hear Muslims or others say things like "Death to America." There are over 300 million Americans, and only a small percentage are in the military or government or any position to formulate policy. Less than 20% of the actual U.S. population voted for Trump. But there are those who see that as license to hate the whole lot of us. It seems patently unfair and bigoted, but I recognize that that's how a lot of people think.

Like I said before, it's not the original teachings of the Qur'an that is at fault. Muslims and their ignorance and arrogance are at fault. I don't think many realize just how illiterate the Muslim world is and just how self-conceited they are, especially about their opinions regarding spirituality.

A few decades ago, I recall there was a local Muslim cleric here in my city. He and his family emigrated from Egypt to the U.S. in the 1960s or 70s, I believe. He was a scientist, and he was also a translator working at the U.N. He wrote his own translation of the Quran into English, and he also put forth his own interpretations which were not in keeping with what is regarded as the "correct" interpretation and translation. He was getting constant death threats from other Muslims. Someone finally made good on that threat, as he was found stabbed to death in the kitchen of the local mosque he was running. (Incidentally, his son was the first Arab-American to play in major league baseball.) (For reference: Rashad Khalifa - Wikipedia)

He had a TV show on the local public access channel, and at the time, I had developed an interest in Islam. A friend of mine even attended his mosque a few times and purchased his translation of the Quran, which he was quite fascinated by. One thing he said that struck me was that he claimed the vast majority of the world's Muslims were "in Satan's camp." I guess that would be enough to anger a good many Muslims.

Of course, I don't say that this to impugn all Muslims. I realize it was just a couple of people, but to go to such enormous lengths to eliminate someone over a reason like that. That's pretty obsessed.

Let me give you an example: I hate to bring my personal life but due to the necessity of making my point clear and for the sake of emphasis, I have to. Anyway, these days I am doing some courses on certain skill development to start a new career [which, btw, is why I am not able to reply to TagliatelliMonster, Shadow Wolf and others during discussion and not able to take part in the forum discussion in general (I busy as hell nowadays)]. So, my instructor believes that there is no Coronavirus, and this pandemic is just a massive conspiracy by the Jews [for God knows what reason]. I was staring at him with shock. Just how bigot can you get? Are you trying to tell me that millions of who died due to the disease and millions who suffered because of it, and the economic armageddon which resulted because of Coronavirus ... is just a lie and deception? Just how the hell can Jews pull off a conspiracy THIS big? And how did they managed to get enemies like Iran to play part in this conspiracy [who also suffered severe damage]? Why would Israel cause so much harm to ITSELF in order to pull it off? That is the most ignorant thing to believe.

Now, Muslims around the world thinks the same about 9/11 [Jews did it], and most of the wars and other problems in the world [Jews did it]. Hell, some even deny Holocaust! And they are so self-conceited that any opposing evidence is positively discarded and/or twisted to fit their faulty narrative. I have been even labeled a Zionist when I spoke out against their believes about Jews, 9/11 etc!

This is the level of ignorance and arrogance that is rampant in the Muslim world. You have to realize, it's not the Islam and Qur'an at the fault here, but rather their own ignorance.

Yes, I've heard that kind of rhetoric before. It's not particularly common in my neck of the woods, but there are always a few here and there. Trump says that the Chinese started the coronavirus, and he and other right-wingers call it the "China virus." It gets irritating after a while.

As for 9/11, I've heard various conspiracy theories about that one, too. It seems to lead to a lot of arguments. Ignorance is pretty widespread, among all nations and religions.

I wouldn't underestimate nationalism as a peripheral cause either.

Their beliefs are mostly the result of their own ignorance [about the Qur'an and Islam], their arrogance, and to further add fuel to fire, the Western barbarity that has torn the Muslim world apart. Their bitterness over what has happened to them and Muslims in general is fueling their faulty belief system. I personally feel like that terrorism would have happened even if the Qur'an and it's instruction never existed in the first place. When you are under influence of negative emotions like anger and vengeance and bitterness etc., and devoid of knowledge of what the truth is and what is the right thing to do, and have a massive superior complex --- You are bound to cause harm.

Like I always say --- Ignorance and arrogance breeds destruction [not Qur'an etc.]

I can understand some of it, particularly when it comes from parts of the world which are/were victims of Western colonialism and imperialism. Anger and resentment are natural human reactions to the kind of treatment they received, whether it happened in Africa, East Asia, South Asia, the Middle East, North America, Latin America, or even on the islands of the Pacific. One might find extremists and terrorists in all of these places, but their religion isn't necessarily a part of it - although that seems to vary from culture to culture.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member
Often enough, cruel actions aren't endorsed exclusively by cruel people; they're also endorsed by many good people with some cruel beliefs.
Thought/feeling word and deed should be one, otherwise one is hypocritical within himself and this is not healthy in the long term

Thoughts/feelings after awhile become words, which after awhile turn into deeds. Hence to solve violence one need to start in the mind
 

Hellbound Serpiente

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Damn it, I never thought I'd end up becoming a porn educator. Maybe I should study this course for a living ...

I hope I don't get banned or beheaded for this, but The Artis Magistra --- Google her [or especially google "valery vita islam"] to know better

Again, still hoping not to get banned and/or beheaded.
 
So, hearing lots of boring news stories about things I can do nothing about has left me callous and uncaring, do you all share the same lack of interest or sympathy as I do, or was I too quick to become numb?

Like, I've seen so much crap on the news and in life and in the world, that some women getting stabbed by some women in France, I really don't care at all. I wouldn't have cared if the stabbings had the other way around. I wouldn't have cared if they stabbed the dogs instead and everyone was just stabbing the dogs. Well, I wouldn't thought that they should all die for that dog stabbing probably, but not cared much overall, and hoped that All Dogs Go to Heaven.

I was just curious if you've all become, due to overexposure or mental defect or disease, as callous and dead as me about stories like this?

Name was hurt by Name in Name on this day, blah blah, jail, thathunk* Law & Order SVU.

Its just meaningless seemingly, arbitrary, far away, helpless, hopeless, useless.

Or do you guys and gals keep getting fooled again and again, and zapped by the new trash story of the hour, zap, zap, zap. Never ending shocks and sensationalism. I don't know, but I'm numb at this point, all out of feces, they've purified my colon or wherever the poop hides.

Actually, it goes a little further even, the news has made me feel so bad and so helpless, that I think when people die, it seems almost celebratory, they escaped this world!
 
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Windwalker

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Adding fuel to a fire of national division is one of the most incompetent and irresponsible things a high-ranking government official, let alone a president, can do.
That seems the popular way of politics these days. Just ask Donald. It's worked for him. It doesn't matter if the whole country goes up in flames, so long as he can say he won.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member
Thanks in no small part to Macron's hasty, foolishly undiplomatic statements that failed to demonstrate any awareness of their potential consequences. Adding fuel to a fire of national division is one of the most incompetent and irresponsible things a high-ranking government official, let alone a president, can do.
In France there are 8 times more Muslims than in America (so I understand that Macron sees this more of an issue than Trump). Having these terrorist attacks in France, trying to undermine France's Freedom, I understand that Macron is not waiting another 10 years. Of course there will be some unfortunate problems, but that is always the case. Sadly it's mostly the innocent people that get hurt.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member
Damn it, I never thought I'd end up becoming a porn educator. Maybe I should study this course for a living ...
:D
Oh yes, easy done. Think/desire to become a porn educator and this life or next you definitely get it:D:p

My Master used to say "Beware what you ask God, because God can give ... you might not like it"
My Master used to say "IF there is a desire it must be fulfilled"
Scriptures declare control mind is paramount

Now you know why:D
 
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