Paris terrorists not Practicing Muslims at all

[FearGod]

So the end justify the means? If IS does fulfill prophecy all their immoral acts are excused? You can not ignore the moral/immoral actions which are directly involved in fulfillment of the prophecy. Allah must be one piece of work if IS does win... There is that Islamic fatalism again which invalidates free will and turns the immoral into moral. Hilarious.

I said if the ISIS were able to liberate Jerusalem and to reach Rome and which is impossible, so why
we have to discuss the impossibilities.

 

[Shusha]

Yours is a stupid approach, the point is that if they succeeded and were able to liberate Jerusalem from the Zionists and
if no power were able to stop them from establishing the Caliphate then that means the prophecy were fulfilled.

So it's because of the prophecy and not because of their success.

ISIS' explicitly stated intent is not to "liberate Jerusalem" from the Jews but to exterminate every last Jew. Do you agree with this proposal (prophecy)? If ISIS does reach Rome and is demonstrated to be the true Caliphate, will you be on board with that idea? Why or why not?

 

[FearGod]

Do I understand you correctly? You will support ISIS if it fulfills the conditions of "reaching Rome".

And you are just waiting to see if it happens. If it does, will you adopt their particular brand of Islam? Will that particular brand of Islam become "correct" in your eyes?

Do you mean if the miracle happened ? let it happen first.

 

[Shusha]

I said if the ISIS were able to liberate Jerusalem and to reach Rome and which is impossible, so why
we have to discuss the impossibilities.

Wait, what? So no you are saying fulfilling the prophecies is impossible? I'm so confused with what you are arguing here.

 

[FearGod]

ISIS' explicitly stated intent is not to "liberate Jerusalem" from the Jews but to exterminate every last Jew. Do you agree with this proposal (prophecy)? If ISIS does reach Rome and is demonstrated to be the true Caliphate, will you be on board with that idea? Why or why not?

You're speaking as if reaching Rome is an easy job, to me it'll be a miracle.

 

[FearGod]

Wait, what? So no you are saying fulfilling the prophecies is impossible? I'm so confused with what you are arguing here.

If the prophecy fulfilled then that's the miracle, otherwise it's impossible for
them to reach Rome.

For example if someone told me that India will score 10 goals against Brazil by a football
match, that's impossible, then if it happened then i won't care how it happened
than knowing how the one telling it knows about it.

 

[Shusha]

Do you mean if the miracle happened ? let it happen first.

I really want to know what you would do if it happened. I want to know what your brand of Islam boils down to. I want to know what has precedence for you, if it came down to a conflict between the values in your brand of Islam and a Caliphate run by ISIS. I want to know what you think G-d wants for the world, and how Muslims should act in the world and whether it is according to G-d's wishes or in contravention of G-d's wishes for Muslims to support ISIS, work against ISIS or just sit it out and wait. This matters a great deal. There a billions of Muslim all over the world who are having this conversation with themselves, or should be.

 

[FearGod]

I really want to know what you would do if it happened. I want to know what your brand of Islam boils down to. I want to know what has precedence for you, if it came down to a conflict between the values in your brand of Islam and a Caliphate run by ISIS. I want to know what you think G-d wants for the world, and how Muslims should act in the world and whether it is according to G-d's wishes or in contravention of G-d's wishes for Muslims to support ISIS, work against ISIS or just sit it out and wait. This matters a great deal. There a billions of Muslim all over the world who are having this conversation with themselves, or should be.

If the impossibilities happened then we'll be in the end times and for the 2nd coming of Jesus,
tell me what you'll think if these things did happen as prophesied.

 

[Shusha]

If the impossibilities happened then we'll be in the end times and for the 2nd coming of Jesus,
tell me what you'll think if these things did happen as prophesied.

Irrelevant. My faith gives me a moral compass. That moral compass is not dependent on who wins a war or what miracles might happen.

 

[Lyndon]

If or when the second coming of Jesus occurs, will the Jews fight Jesus?? Or admit that they were wrong???

 

[Shusha]

If or when the second coming of Jesus occurs, will the Jews fight Jesus?? Or admit that they were wrong???

Irrelevant to my posed question. The question on the table is whether or not one would adopt standards of behaviour which one considers immoral, because of the fulfillment or apparent fulfillment of prophecy. My answer is an emphatic "no".

 

[Lyndon]

I asked you a question. It is not irrelevant.

 

[FearGod]

If or when the second coming of Jesus occurs, will the Jews fight Jesus?? Or admit that they were wrong???

It depends, some may follow and some may go against.

 

[FearGod]

Irrelevant. My faith gives me a moral compass. That moral compass is not dependent on who wins a war or what miracles might happen.

Do you think prophet Moses was moral ?

 

[Lyndon]

It seems like a returned Jesus is the only character that could bring peace between Muslims, Christians and Jews.

 

[Shusha]

I asked you a question. It is not irrelevant.

Explain how it is relevant.

 

[Lyndon]

I can see you have no interest in answering my question!!

 

[Shusha]

Do you think prophet Moses was moral ?

People aren't moral or immoral. People's actions may be moral or immoral. What makes an action moral or immoral is not "but my god said it was okay".

I think Moses was human.

 

[Shusha]

I can see you have no interest in answering my question!!

Not at all. I'll answer. I just want to know how you think it is relevant. If someone shows up who fulfills the conditions of being the Messiah, then we will accept him/her as the Messiah. Anyone who does not fulfill those conditions will be rejected. Its that simple.

 

[Lyndon]

People aren't moral or immoral.

Speak for yourself!!