Paris terrorists not Practicing Muslims at all

[Shusha]

Speak for yourself!!

Sure. Standard difference between Christianity and Judaism. Judaism sees people as having inclination toward moral behaviour and base behaviour. And Christianity sees people as being inherently sinful no matter what they actually do.

 

[Lyndon]

No exactly the opposite, I would see myself as a moral person, not neither moral or amoral.

 

[Shusha]

No exactly the opposite, I would see myself as a moral person, not neither moral or amoral.

And I would see myself as a person who acts morally. Still not seeing how this is relevant to the question I posed to Feargod.

What are Muslims to do when faced with a Caliphate which holds a different moral standard than their own understanding of Islam?

 

[Lyndon]

I think they should reject it completely, but in all fairness to Fear God, he has every right to be skeptical of the media, half those stories about ISIS and a lot of the videos, look very artificial to me, like they are made up by the CIA or something, I just saw one on facebook, 4 year old kid cutting off the head of his teddy bear, in a very modern western style house, with strategically place ISIS flag etc, the whole thing could be just American propaganda, how are we to know, it wouldn't be the first time the media and/or our government tried to deceive us.

 

[Shusha]

I think they should reject it completely....

We agree.

 

[Shad]

It isn't my problem if you don't see what i'm talking about, it isn't a one to one debate.

Irrelevant. You are having a dialogue with me in this instance not other people. You are addressing points I never made with subjects I never brought up on the basis that other people brought it up so it has something to do with what I am talking about. It doesn't. It is your problem that you can not keep track of your own conversations, their topics,participants and produce red herrings fallacies based on your errors. You made the claims about prophecy not the media. Try again son.

 

[Lyndon]

The reason I am totally against ISIS has more to do with the almost universal condemnation they are getting from the Muslim world, rather than what the West is saying about them, which may not be entirely accurate.

 

[Shad]

I said if the ISIS were able to liberate Jerusalem and to reach Rome and which is impossible, so why
we have to discuss the impossibilities.

No you produced a hypothetical example in which conquest and prophecy proves legitimacy. You brought it up not me. Why bring it up if you think your own point is irrelevant....... You are getting caught up by your own sophistry.

 

[FearGod]

People aren't moral or immoral. People's actions may be moral or immoral. What makes an action moral or immoral is not "but my god said it was okay".

I think Moses was human.

Okey, tell me if this verse is moral

"This is what the Lord Almighty says... 'Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.'" (1 Samuel 15:3)

 

[FearGod]

Irrelevant. You are having a dialogue with me in this instance not other people. You are addressing points I never made with subjects I never brought up on the basis that other people brought it up so it has something to do with what I am talking about. It doesn't. It is your problem that you can not keep track of your own conversations, their topics,participants and produce red herrings fallacies based on your errors. You made the claims about prophecy not the media. Try again son.

Can't you understand, it isn't one to one debate, it isn't my problem if you can't
follow up what i was saying in this thread.

 

[Shusha]

Okey, tell me if this verse is moral

"This is what the Lord Almighty says... 'Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.'" (1 Samuel 15:3)

Are you asking me if I believe that committing genocide is morally acceptable or morally justifiable if apparently divinely ordained in ancient texts? Emphatic no. You?

 

[FearGod]

No you produced a hypothetical example in which conquest and prophecy proves legitimacy. You brought it up not me. Why bring it up if you think your own point is irrelevant....... You are getting caught up by your own sophistry.

It seems that you were a lazy student, where did i say conquest proves legitimacy ?

 

[Shad]

It seems that you were a lazy student, where did i say conquest proves legitimacy ?

You said the conquest of Rome proves prophecy which in turn proves legitimacy. The conquest is part of the prophecy you put forward. Read what you post....

 

[FearGod]

Are you asking me if I believe that committing genocide is morally acceptable or morally justifiable if apparently divinely ordained in ancient texts? Emphatic no. You?

And you're converting to Judaism, right
Do you think all verses in the Torah are moral ?

 

[Shad]

Can't you understand, it isn't one to one debate, it isn't my problem if you can't
follow up what i was saying in this thread.

Actually it is since I am addressing your comments not everyone's hence why I hit the reply button to your comment rather than someone else or a general comment. No one else addressing my comments, just you. Hence we are having a 1-1, you are just oblivious to this fact.. I am talking about specifics none of which is about the media. Your point is irrelevant and a red herring in order to dodge my comments since you can not answer my points.

 

[FearGod]

You said the conquest of Rome proves prophecy which in turn proves legitimacy. The conquest is part of the prophecy you put forward. Read what you post....

You're the one saying it proves legitimacy and not me, quote my words saying it than talking nonsense.

 

[Shad]

And you're converting to Judaism, right
Do you think all verses in the Torah are moral ?

Irrelevant tripe and a open display of your unwillingness to look up my religious view directly under my name.....

NoI do not think the Torah is completely moral, nor do I believe it is from any God. It is the primitive views of humans put to text wishing to validate their views with an authority they, and they alone, have access to.

 

[Shad]

You're the one saying it proves legitimacy and not me, quote my words saying it than talking nonsense.

No you mentioned the prophecy not I. The prophecy according to you is the conquest of various places proves the legitimacy of IS. The conquest are your words not mine, your prophecy not mine. Try again son.

the point is that if they succeeded and were able to liberate Jerusalem from the Zionists and
if no power were able to stop them from establishing the Caliphate then that means the prophecy were fulfilled.

So it's because of the prophecy and not because of their success.

Time for an lesson in English son. To liberate a place mean that is not under current control by those liberating it. Since IS would require military acts, Israeli is not going to give up the place willingly, this would mean it was conquered hence conquest.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conquered

Hence the conquest according to your prophecy will legitimatize IS regardless of how many Muslim openly express that IS does not follow Islam. Hence IS would be following true IS not those Muslim against it. This is nothing more than Islamic fatalism

 

[FearGod]

Actually it is since I am addressing your comments not everyone's hence why I hit the reply button to your comment rather than someone else or a general comment. No one else addressing my comments, just you. Hence we are having a 1-1, you are just oblivious to this fact.. I am talking about specifics none of which is about the media. Your point is irrelevant and a red herring in order to dodge my comments since you can not answer my points.

so only me and you are reading our own replies, what about making it PMs instead ?

 

[FearGod]

Irrelevant tripe and a open display of your unwillingness to look up my religious view directly under my name.....

NoI do not think the Torah is completely moral, nor do I believe it is from any God. It is the primitive views of humans put to text wishing to validate their views with an authority they, and they alone, have access to.

I wasn't speaking to you here, what happened.