Paris terrorists not Practicing Muslims at all

[Revoltingest]

Shouting "Allahu Akbar" does not make one a practicing Muslim, it would appear these particular bombers are plain psychopaths, not much different than the non Muslim mass murderer shooters in America.

What do you think motivated them to do what they did?

 

[dust1n]

More like Islamic apostates than moderates, moderates still go to the mosque and don't drink alcohol.

So, they weren't even moderates, they were apostates. Who knows what any given Muslim apostate might do next.

 

[Lyndon]

There is no Death Penalty for smoking in Islam, anywhere, in the Koran or the Hadith.

 

[leibowde84]

Shouting "Allahu Akbar" does not make one a practicing Muslim, it would appear these particular bombers are plain psychopaths, not much different than the non Muslim mass murderer shooters in America.

If they think of themselves as Muslims, they identify as Muslims, and they wholeheartedly believe that they are Muslims ... they are Muslims. I hear the same tired argument about my own Christianity all the time. We define our own religious adherence, and we shouldn't deny others this right simply because they don't fit into our own subjective idea of what Islam requires. A lot of what you are claiming is obviously up for debate in the Muslim world. As outsiders, we should not be judging anyone on their religious adherence.

 

[leibowde84]

There is no Death Penalty for smoking in Islam, anywhere, in the Koran or the Hadith.

Can you cite where it says in either that killing as a punishment for smoking is forbidden in a caliphate? Where do you get the idea that they are limited in this way?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Two of the Paris terrorists were areligious pot smoking drunks who ran a bar closed by the authorities for selling hallucinogens,

I just think you're in denial.

 

[Godobeyer]

Yeah, and all Al-Qaeda and ISIS members are not true Muslims, and the tens of millions of Muslims who believe in stoning adulterers, lashing for premarital sex, and killing homosexuals and who also voted for Islamist parties in free elections aren't true Muslims either.

It's always nice to be educated about these things so that we can no longer criticize any aspects of Islam. We must be aware that the tens of millions of Muslims mentioned above are only a tiny minority and don't represent anything!

The abrahimic religions in world (Islam and Christianity )their holy booksn forbid the adultery and homosex
kill (these people ) had different opinions .

so you accusing indirectly whole the Muslims are terrorists or (most of Muslims) agree with these idiots ?

 

[leibowde84]

The abrahimic religions in world (Islam and Christianity )their holy booksn forbid the adultery and homosex
kill (these people ) had different opinions .

so you accusing indirectly whole the Muslims are terrorists or agree with these idiots ?

He's only pointing out that lyndons argument in the op is without merit.

 

[Debater Slayer]

The abrahimic religions in world (Islam and Christianity )their holy booksn forbid the adultery and homosex
kill (these people ) had different opinions .

so you accusing indirectly whole the Muslims are terrorists or agree with these idiots ?

No, I'm not accusing all Muslims of agreeing with ISIS; I'm saying that a lot of the members of ISIS are indeed devout Muslims and that tens of millions of Muslims support violent punishments like flogging and stoning. That is a fact that not even most Muslims would deny. There is a difference between merely forbidding something and violently punishing people who engage in it.

 

[FearGod]

Can you cite where it says in either that killing as a punishment for smoking is forbidden in a caliphate? Where do you get the idea that they are limited in this way?

Which caliphate ?

 

[Godobeyer]

No, I'm not accusing all Muslims of agreeing with ISIS; I'm saying that a lot of the members of ISIS are indeed devout Muslims and that tens of millions of Muslims support violent punishments like flogging and stoning. That is a fact that not even most Muslims would deny. There is a difference between merely forbidding something and violently punishing people who engage in it.

You live with Muslims , for your opinion (what you notice dailly) Muslims agree with ISIS ?

or agree with Paris attacks ?

 

[FearGod]

No, I'm not accusing all Muslims of agreeing with ISIS; I'm saying that a lot of the members of ISIS are indeed devout Muslims and that tens of millions of Muslims support violent punishments like flogging and stoning. That is a fact that not even most Muslims would deny. There is a difference between merely forbidding something and violently punishing people who engage in it.

How do you know that tens of millions of Muslims support violent punishments like flogging and stoning ?

 

[Debater Slayer]

You live with Muslims , for your opinion (what you notice dailly) Muslims agree with ISIS ?

or agree with Paris attacks ?

No, most Muslims I know don't agree with either. That's not the point I was making, though.

By the way, most Muslims I know do agree with stoning and flogging. That's the other argument I was making, and it still stands.

 

[leibowde84]

Which caliphate ?

The territory contolled by the Islamic State. Otherwise known as the Islamic State. I watched a documentary about life inside the Islamic State last night, which was a lengthy, first-person account. There were a good number of 1 on 1 interviews with IS leaders included. Very interesting and disturbing.

 

[Debater Slayer]

How do you know that tens of millions of Muslims support violent punishments like flogging and stoning ?

Most Muslims in "Arab Spring" countries voted for Islamist parties, as I mentioned earlier. In Egypt alone, the majority of at least 30 million voters (according to national statistics) voted for Islamists, who clearly had plans to implement Shari'a into state law.

 

[Wu Wei]

Is "assuming" means to you a fact.

Not going to argue this, you go with whatever makes you happy

 

[leibowde84]

You live with Muslims , for your opinion (what you notice dailly) Muslims agree with ISIS ?

or agree with Paris attacks ?

I'm sorry, but you must be reading his comments incorrectly, as this is a straw man. No one is saying that Muslims in general agree with this in any way. The point is that members of ISIS are Muslims. That's all. Claiming that Muslims, in general, agree with ISIS or the Paris attacks would be absurd, as you rightly point out.

 

[FearGod]

The territory contolled by the Islamic State. Otherwise known as the Islamic State. I watched a documentary about life inside the Islamic State last night, which was a lengthy, first-person account. There were a good number of 1 on 1 interviews with IS leaders included. Very interesting and disturbing.

Do you believe that the IS is the caliphate ?
Why do you believe so, is it because you saw it in the Ytube.

 

[FearGod]

Not going to argue this, you go with whatever makes you happy

And assuming in this issue becomes a fact to you as it makes you feel happy.

 

[leibowde84]

Do you believe that the IS is the caliphate ?
Why do you believe so, is it because you saw it in the Ytube.

That is what they are. A "caliphate" is a form of Islamic government led by a caliph - a person considered a political and religious successor to the Islamic prophet, Muhammad, and a leader of the entire Muslim community. All of this matches up with the Islamic State. Even their leader is from the same blood line as Muhammad (so he claims). No YouTube needed, but I did enjoy your pathetic attempt at humor.