Pastor Kicked Out by His Congregation Over Transphobic Church Sign

[Jumi]

...That's why I told her she's my property. It was revenge

Sounds counterproductive to be honest. Though it might make you feel good, it will probably increase the distance with you.

 

[JJ50]

Eh, my wife threatens me sometimes, but I just ignore her ignorance and carry on. Sometimes I give her an earful, like last night when I told her she's my property since I bought her for 25 dollars from the courthouse the day we got married. Yeah, she got mad and stormed out of the house. She even hit me with an umbrella on the way out.

...But I'm not mad.

If my husband even suggested I was his property, we would be down at the divorce court pronto. Fortunately he believes in equality of the sexes.

If a marriage breaks down completely they should divorce and try to find happiness in another relationship. I begged my parents to divorce as they never got on. But they stayed married because of their fundamental Christian faith, which was crazy as it certainly didn't do them or their children any good whatsoever!

 

[Cooky]

Sounds counterproductive to be honest. Though it might make you feel good, it will probably increase the distance with you.

Yeah, she's still mad. It usually takes about 6 days for her to recover.

 

[Apologes]

Catholic here.

Nothing in that sign that would make me or anyone in my parish rebel.

 

[columbus]

Catholic here.

Nothing in that sign that would make me or anyone in my parish rebel.

It would in mine.

Nothing so drastic as trying to oust the pastor. But he is too good a person to post such inflammatory nonsense in the first place. That's why.
Tom

 

[Skwim]

I think it's a sign the times are changing.

And it's time the sign be a changing.

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[Skwim]

For those who follow christianity the bible is the closest they can come to what jesus did teach. But for those who does not follow the bible should they care what it say? or mock it because they are not agree?

Yes they should indeed care what it says because many Christians take their warped sense of right and wrong from it and try to impose it on non-Christians.

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[Sand Dancer]

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He put the sign up sometime around December 31st. In less than two weeks, he was out of a job. His congregation was disgusted with him and they rebelled almost to a person. Every couple in his church -- except one -- declared they would leave the Church if Hoke stayed on as Pastor.

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/01/14/pastor-fired-caitlyn-jenner-man-sign/

God is good but people often are not.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Yes they should indeed care what it says because many Christians take their warped sense of right and wrong from it and try to impose it on non-Christians.

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Well they should not impose it on non Christians that i agree with you on

 

[Jollybear]

Hey Jolly, just curious, and I've never taken this side before in 10 years of posting, but doesn't it make sense that divorce is worse than homosexuality since Jesus specifically spoke out against it and said nothing on homosexuality?

Good question. And i do agree theres degrees of "sin". However, whether divorce or homosexuality is the worser of the two im not sure, but i do lean toward divorce, like you. And i lean there because it shows selfishness. Homosexuality merely goes against functional design of God. However, that said, even though Jesus did not directly address homosexuality, he indirectly did when he mentioned that God created them male and female in the beginning. Mark 10:6

 

[Jollybear]

I can see the parts of the Bible that plainly talk about:

- not judging others
- acting charitably
- not putting stumbling blocks in the way of others.

And you're here telling me that this pastor's judging, uncharitable actions that put a stumbling block in front of gay and trans people are in line with the Bible.

... but you also say that the Bible doesn't contradict itself.

I see two ways to resolve this:

- decide that you were wrong when you said that the Bible doesn't contradict itself.
- decide that the pastor's actions weren't Biblical.

Which option would you prefer?

Like i said, your taking two puzzle pieces and not matching them correctly.

Heres how you merge them.

God, like a parrent loves the child, but when the child disobeys, God, like the parrent judges the child.

You see? Walla. So simple.

 

[Earthling]

Here's a question for ya; of all the "sins", why do so many Christians fixate and obsess over homosexuality? Aren't all sins equal in the eyes of god? Why does gambling, drinking, smoking, greed, dishonesty, sloth, gluttony, divorce, fornication, tattoos, etc. so often get a pass (Trump embodies many of these "sins", yet strangely enough is still admired by many Christians)? Christians seem to worry far more about other people's "sins" rather than their own. They loudly bellow that the bible is "truth", but then turn around and cherry pick the hell out of it. Strange that folk who believe in eternal damnation would be so confident that their god would abide such hypocrisy and double standards.

You make a good point. People, which naturally includes believers and unbelievers alike, are hypocritical in nature. Replace homosexuality with any of those sins and the sign would have had the same significance, but Christians are adopting, once again, what is popular with the worldly. They wouldn't have protested if any of the sins you mentioned were on that sign.

 

[Father Heathen]

You make a good point. People, which naturally includes believers and unbelievers alike, are hypocritical in nature. Replace homosexuality with any of those sins and the sign would have had the same significance, but Christians are adopting, once again, what is popular with the worldly. They wouldn't have protested if any of the sins you mentioned were on that sign.

It seems to me that most believers use their bible as something by which to judge and condemn others rather than as a guide for themselves to live by. I also find it peculiar how a lot of conservative Christians admire and idolize Trump despite there being little to no overlap between his values and those of Jesus. It appears that sins are deemed less severe when committed by political allies.

 

[Polymath257]

I guess that would depend on whether you see Christianity as a living, evolving tradition, or as a fossilized relic of an ancient age.

What's interesting here is that fundamentalist Christianity is a fairly new phenomenon (last hundred and fifty years or so). it is an outgrowth of the modern world and represents an aspect of how religion evolve.

I certainly *hope* the OP shows a sign of things changing away from fundamentalism and that Christianity is either adapting to a new and better morality or being replaced by a more caring position.

 

[PruePhillip]

>cultural Marxism

lol

Don't worry sir, that's not some casual throw-away line. I have been
watching this slowly develop since the 1960's.
Judaeo Christianity involves personal ethics. The new post-modernist,
Marxist morality involves corporate ethics - group think if you like. This
is not religious, it involves politics instead. That's where you get this
"transgender" business from, ie the latest "issue" that we must conform
to. Tomorrow it's going to be polygamy, and you will learn the party line
on what to say and how to think.

 

[Polymath257]

2001-2015 Gallop figures on approval rates for moral issues in USA:
Gay lesbian 40 to 63%. Baby outside marriage 45 to 61%. Casual sex 53 to 68%.
Divorce 59 to 71%. Polygamy 7 to 16%. Doctor suicide 49 to 56%.Personal suicide
13 to 19%. Gambling 63 to 67%. Abortion 42 to 45%. Married men having affairs 7 to 8%.

I don't approve of married men having affairs (that is, going against the agreements of their marriage). But i see nothing wrong in non-monogamy that is honest.

As for the rest of these issues, I fail to see how gambling is a moral issue at all and I hope the approval rates for the others go up over time.

 

[Polymath257]

I believe broken marriages must be repaired IMO.

Sometimes the best repair is dissolution. That's how my ex and I can still be friends.

 

[Cooky]

Sometimes the best repair is dissolution. That's how my ex and I can still be friends.

But doesn't this song make you cry?

 

[Earthling]

It seems to me that most believers use their bible as something by which to judge and condemn others rather than as a guide for themselves to live by. I also find it peculiar how a lot of conservative Christians admire and idolize Trump despite there being little to no overlap between his values and those of Jesus. It appears that sins are deemed less severe when committed by political allies.

I don't think you're picking up on the correct meaning of what it means to be a Christian. It doesn't mean they become holier than thou. It's about recognizing we are all from sin. Trump is a part of the world and Christians aren't supposed to be a part of the world so they shouldn't bother with him. But, that's using the Bible. Like I always remind the unwashed heathens, King David was no angel but he was beloved of Jehovah.

But yeah, you're right in that the Christian will condemn others before removing that post from their own eye.

 

[PruePhillip]

It seems to me that most believers use their bible as something by which to judge and condemn others rather than as a guide for themselves to live by. I also find it peculiar how a lot of conservative Christians admire and idolize Trump despite there being little to no overlap between his values and those of Jesus. It appears that sins are deemed less severe when committed by political allies.

Going to church, as some wit put it, makes you a Christian
in the same way as going to a garage makes you a car.
Many don't necessarily support Trump because they like
him - they just hate his opposition. Watch any video on
American campus politics and you get an idea of where
America could be heading.