Patriotism as an American

[Neo Deist]

People have the freedom of speech and expression, as defined by the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution. Veterans like myself see (or saw...rest in peace brothers/sisters) to it that others enjoy that freedom. I don't take liberties away from anyone, regardless of race, religion, gender, or lifestyle.

There are people in this country that will voice their opinion, and they have every right to do so. Many did not like it when President Obama was elected, but that did not change the fact that he was the President, and the Commander in Chief. For those of us who are military, we understand that you don't have to like the person that holds the position, but you still respect the position. The same goes with higher ranks throughout military service. I may not like my commanding officer as a person, but I respect the position that they are in.

The USA's voting system is set up with an electoral college. It has been that way for over 200 years. Until that changes, there really is no point in talking about the popular vote. That is what it means to live in a republic. The states vote and elect, not the general population. Nothing else needs to be said about this.

People that trash talk the president-elect (or any other official) are not doing anything positive for the country. That only causes more division. This country has enough scars as is. It is time to unite and move forward, not constantly take two steps backwards. You are not always going to get your way. Your "team" is not always going to win. Things will happen and you (we) have to deal with it and move on.

If you are a true patriot of the USA, then set aside your angst and contempt. Be a better person and citizen of this great country. Don't succumb to the levels of cretins that thrive on ignorance and tabloid journalism. Take the moral high ground. Become respectable, not detestable. To quote JFK:

"...ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country."



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[Quetzal]

This thread is about being an American patriot-

Patriotism is overrated.

 

[LuisDantas]

Patriotism is overrated.

By definition, even.

 

[tytlyf]

Uhoh, we got the patriot card going!

Is this like when RW media told everyone to never question Bush during times of War and going into Iraq? I remember Bull O'Really mentioning something.

 

[Neo Deist]

Patriotism is overrated.

Sigh...now imagine if people had that same attitude toward astronomy and space exploration (something we both love).

 

[Augustus]

but you still respect the position.

What happens when the PEOTUS clearly doesn't respect the position though seeing as he spent years challenging the legitimacy of the POTUS and threatening to release information about his illegitimacy that never actually materialised.

People that trash talk the president-elect (or any other official) are not doing anything positive for the country.

What happens when the PEOTUS is on the record as calling the electoral college a travesty to democracy, doubting the legitimacy of the electoral process itself, doubting the legitimacy of judges based on ethnic origin, publicly trashing the National Security establishment and taking the word of someone deemed a national security threat over theirs, while frequently undermining the POTUS to side with the corrupt and ruthless President of a country long seen as hostile to US national interests, and a major threat to their long-standing allies?

I imagine most people, whether they like him or not, would see John Mccain as someone who is a patriot, and he was concerned enough to go to the FBI to request they investigated certain issues around the PEOTUS. Was this a patriotic duty or treacherous in your opinion?

I'm not American, and other than as a minor form of entertainment don't care all that much about your domestic politics. I also don't really know how to define what makes an American patriotic or otherwise as it is not my country. In your opinion, what do you see as the patriotic position in regard to these issues though? When the PEOTUS doesn't match your expectations of how a patriot behaves, what should a patriot do?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

It's always fascinating to watch narratives conveniently change with context.

 

[Lyndon]

People have the freedom of speech and expression, as defined by the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution. Veterans like myself see (or saw...rest in peace brothers/sisters) to it that others enjoy that freedom. I don't take liberties away from anyone, regardless of race, religion, gender, or lifestyle.

There are people in this country that will voice their opinion, and they have every right to do so. Many did not like it when President Obama was elected, but that did not change the fact that he was the President, and the Commander in Chief. For those of us who are military, we understand that you don't have to like the person that holds the position, but you still respect the position. The same goes with higher ranks throughout military service. I may not like my commanding officer as a person, but I respect the position that they are in.

The USA's voting system is set up with an electoral college. It has been that way for over 200 years. Until that changes, there really is no point in talking about the popular vote. That is what it means to live in a republic. The states vote and elect, not the general population. Nothing else needs to be said about this.

People that trash talk the president-elect (or any other official) are not doing anything positive for the country. That only causes more division. This country has enough scars as is. It is time to unite and move forward, not constantly take two steps backwards. You are not always going to get your way. Your "team" is not always going to win. Things will happen and you (we) have to deal with it and move on.

If you are a true patriot of the USA, then set aside your angst and contempt. Be a better person and citizen of this great country. Don't succumb to the levels of cretins that thrive on ignorance and tabloid journalism. Take the moral high ground. Become respectable, not detestable. To quote JFK:

"...ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country."



Edit: this thread is about being an American patriot, not criticizing Trump, Hillary, Obama or any other official. Stay on topic or stay out of the thread. I expect the Mods/Admins to enforce this per the forum rules:

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Sieg Heil!! That's the only logical response I can make to your post.

 

[Quetzal]

Sigh...now imagine if people had that same attitude toward astronomy and space exploration (something we both love).

They do, all the time. It happens. Blind support, what I think you are referring to, works in the military. Traditionally, officers have some form of experience that exponentially increases with each rank, right? In that case, blind faith makes sense. Despite not liking my officers, those officers have experience, knowledge and support staff to make informed decisions. The current president elect? None. Zilch, nada, zero. That is like me walking into a recruitment office in 1941 and then asked to lead D-Day. It is foolish, dangerous and I don't like it!

 

[Curious George]

People have the freedom of speech and expression, as defined by the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution. Veterans like myself see (or saw...rest in peace brothers/sisters) to it that others enjoy that freedom. I don't take liberties away from anyone, regardless of race, religion, gender, or lifestyle.

There are people in this country that will voice their opinion, and they have every right to do so. Many did not like it when President Obama was elected, but that did not change the fact that he was the President, and the Commander in Chief. For those of us who are military, we understand that you don't have to like the person that holds the position, but you still respect the position. The same goes with higher ranks throughout military service. I may not like my commanding officer as a person, but I respect the position that they are in.

The USA's voting system is set up with an electoral college. It has been that way for over 200 years. Until that changes, there really is no point in talking about the popular vote. That is what it means to live in a republic. The states vote and elect, not the general population. Nothing else needs to be said about this.

People that trash talk the president-elect (or any other official) are not doing anything positive for the country. That only causes more division. This country has enough scars as is. It is time to unite and move forward, not constantly take two steps backwards. You are not always going to get your way. Your "team" is not always going to win. Things will happen and you (we) have to deal with it and move on.

If you are a true patriot of the USA, then set aside your angst and contempt. Be a better person and citizen of this great country. Don't succumb to the levels of cretins that thrive on ignorance and tabloid journalism. Take the moral high ground. Become respectable, not detestable. To quote JFK:

"...ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country."



Edit: this thread is about being an American patriot, not criticizing Trump, Hillary, Obama or any other official. Stay on topic or stay out of the thread. I expect the Mods/Admins to enforce this per the forum rules:

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To embrace freedom of speech is just that. Discouraging free speech is to discourage the ideas upon which the u.s. was founded. Your requirements of patriotism is ironically inconsistent with that for which the u.s. stands.

 

[BSM1]

Uhoh, we got the patriot card going!

Is this like when RW media told everyone to never question Bush during times of War and going into Iraq? I remember Bull O'Really mentioning something.

Could you give us the quote?

 

[BSM1]

They do, all the time. It happens. Blind support, what I think you are referring to, works in the military. Traditionally, officers have some form of experience that exponentially increases with each rank, right? In that case, blind faith makes sense. Despite not liking my officers, those officers have experience, knowledge and support staff to make informed decisions. The current president elect? None. Zilch, nada, zero. That is like me walking into a recruitment office in 1941 and then asked to lead D-Day. It is foolish, dangerous and I don't like it!

With all due respect, the incoming President has had a ton more experience running something the size of the US than did the outgoing President.

 

[Lyndon]

With all due respect, the incoming President has had a ton more experience running something the size of the US than did the outgoing President.

you're talking about running his mouth, it is quite large, though not quite as large as the USA

 

[Quetzal]

With all due respect, the incoming President has had a ton more experience running something the size of the US than did the outgoing President.

I disagree. Running a business is not the same as running a country.

 

[tytlyf]

Could you give us the quote?

O'Really has made many comments over a decade ago about after the war starts, to never EVER question the military or something of the sort.

 

[Iti oj]

Sigh...now imagine if people had that same attitude toward astronomy and space exploration (something we both love).

Well I can relate to that comparison but I'm not sure if the benefits of the two are relatable .

Overall a good approach to this topic though.

 

[icehorse]

People that trash talk the president-elect (or any other official) are not doing anything positive for the country. That only causes more division. This country has enough scars as is. It is time to unite and move forward, not constantly take two steps backwards. You are not always going to get your way. Your "team" is not always going to win. Things will happen and you (we) have to deal with it and move on.

How about thoughtful, valid criticism, is that patriotic?

 

[Neo Deist]

Mods/Admins... Time to clean up the thread. Seems some just can't follow the rules.

 

[tytlyf]

Mods/Admins... Time to clean up the thread. Seems some just can't follow the rules.

I didn't break the rules, I didn't criticize Trump, Hillary or Obama. I criticized Bull O'Really and fake news.

 

[Iti oj]

People have the freedom of speech and expression, as defined by the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution. Veterans like myself see (or saw...rest in peace brothers/sisters) to it that others enjoy that freedom. I don't take liberties away from anyone, regardless of race, religion, gender, or lifestyle.

There are people in this country that will voice their opinion, and they have every right to do so. Many did not like it when President Obama was elected, but that did not change the fact that he was the President, and the Commander in Chief. For those of us who are military, we understand that you don't have to like the person that holds the position, but you still respect the position. The same goes with higher ranks throughout military service. I may not like my commanding officer as a person, but I respect the position that they are in.

The USA's voting system is set up with an electoral college. It has been that way for over 200 years. Until that changes, there really is no point in talking about the popular vote. That is what it means to live in a republic. The states vote and elect, not the general population. Nothing else needs to be said about this.

People that trash talk the president-elect (or any other official) are not doing anything positive for the country. That only causes more division. This country has enough scars as is. It is time to unite and move forward, not constantly take two steps backwards. You are not always going to get your way. Your "team" is not always going to win. Things will happen and you (we) have to deal with it and move on.

If you are a true patriot of the USA, then set aside your angst and contempt. Be a better person and citizen of this great country. Don't succumb to the levels of cretins that thrive on ignorance and tabloid journalism. Take the moral high ground. Become respectable, not detestable. To quote JFK:

"...ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country."



Edit: this thread is about being an American patriot, not criticizing Trump, Hillary, Obama or any other official. Stay on topic or stay out of the thread. I expect the Mods/Admins to enforce this per the forum rules:

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What exactly do you mean by respect the position? What does that look like?


Also this can be hard to swallow following a Congress who is top priority was making Obama a one term President. Obama is a secret Muslim not an American. Etc etc etc.