YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Once again, when Jesus was led to the Sanhedrin, Paul was not yet a discple of Christ. That happened after Jesus death and resurrection. Not until then.
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Paul - An Apostle?
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Disciples of Christ forsake belief in blood sacrifice for sin removal. Paul refuses to let go of his traditional blood sacrifice for sin temple beliefs and supports the Jewish temple for killing Jesus. Then Paul wants to be paid to teach people God wanted Jesus to die as a blood sacrifice.
Jesus said if you want to kill him then you do not love Jesus, you do not love God and you are not the people of God. What could be clearer than that? Jesus said, WHY can you not hear my words.
1 Peter 2:10
Which in time past were NOT a people, but are NOW the people of God: which had NOT obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy." Water baptism removes sin making them whole with forgiveness of sin by mercy not by the unmerciful death of a life.
Blood sacrifices never removed any sin and those people in darkness without the light of truth, died in their sins.
The water baptized are the people of God having mercy for the life of Jesus realizing his death is not necessary for redemption.
Jesus said, "I desire mercy and not sacrifice" but Paul refused to be merciful as he supported blood sacrifice for sin removal. John taught the baptism of repentance for sin removal, but Jesus Commanded all nations believe in it thus with that command more were baptized becoming the people of God, than was accomplished by John's preaching it.
John 8:43
Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word."
Verse 40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God:"
It is because the words of God are not in you, but the words of a lying Pharisee that demands Jesus die as a blood sacrifice are.
Paul said he is a son of Abraham supporting temple beliefs and Paul does the works of Abraham that established blood sacrifice for sin laws. Jesus hears the voice of God, Abraham did not. But even though Jesus, the one telling the truth, preaching water baptism removes sin which is a Commandment from God, the temple leaders refuse to believe in it and want Jesus to die for teaching it because it removes belief in blood sacrifice removes sin which financially supports the temple. They would rather Jesus die even if he is teaching the truth, than for them to go broke as their religion dissolves from lack of followers. Abraham rejoiced in the day his murderous sons killed Jesus so the religion Abraham built with lies would still be believed as truth.
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I did not say Jesus terminated slavery causing it to not exist in the world, Jesus didn't terminate war either even though he taught against it.
Jesus knew most people were not going to give up their slaves without bloody conflict unless the people that owned slaves converted to his new religion that taught the master should be the servant and all people are to be treated as equals so slavery would not exist. Jesus taught treat people as you want them to treat you. A slave master does not want to be the slave.
Jesus saw the pitiful condition of people that were slaves and he tried to comfort them. But also knew the path to peace is to be peaceful not in bloody conflict/war. Jesus did not want anyone to die in battle. It would take time for his religion to spread and convert so people wanting to serve God would not want to own slaves.
The true religion Jesus established was destroyed by a Pharisee that calls himself Paul so even today few people that call themselves Christians are disciples of Jesus that hear his words, believing them.
The KJV does not have the word slave or slavery in the NT. The word used is servant. It is being a servant of sin to own a slave though.
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Apparently, Paul didn't forgive the Jews, and tossed them to the curb. In Missouri, if you participate in a felony, and someone is killed, you are charged with murder. Now if you live in New York or California, where there is almost nothing prosecuted, then well, you are already condemned to living in hell on earth. Everyone will face judgment for what they have done, either good or bad, that is called justice (Revelation 20:12). The one who is to judge between the sheep, before David is made king, is the Lord God (Ezekiel 34;22-23). You will know if you are forgiven if you are healed. If you remain in your corruption, then you are probably remaining in your sins (James 5:15-16). One is judged as they judge others. King David judged the rich man to the maximum extent of the law and was judged the same in turn. If Joe steals your new car and wrecks it while DWI, you can forgive Joe, but the insurance company is going to collect from Joe if you make a claim, and the police are going to put Joe in jail for DWI. Joe remains in his sin and should probably take advantage of the prison health care system, for Joe will remain in his sickness despite that you tell your neighbors that you forgave Joe. Only the righteous man can heal Joe if Joe confesses his sins, and that righteous man is probably not easily found. As for Paul, his friend Satan, apparently placed a thorn in his side. That would be a curse, not a blessing.
New King James Version Revelation 20:12
And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.
In the end, "strangers"/gentiles, will be given to Jacob as "servants"/slaves (Isaiah 14:1), and the nations/gentiles, will be sold to the "Sabeans" (Joel 3:8) after the "day of the LORD" (Joel 2:31-32), the "great tribulation". Apparently, that day is nearer than most think. Biden left the back door open, and a bear name Putin came into the house, and apparently is shooting at nuclear facilities.
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Moses died in sin, unforgiven because he was not allowed into the "promised by Abraham's covenant" land. People seem to ignore that means there is no unconditional promise. If the reward can be denied, then there is no promise at all. A promise is something will happen not it will happen unless I change my mind.
Jesus wanted to remove belief in the 613 laws Moses said were given to him by God when the truth is they were not. Moses invented those laws by himself and lied claiming God made those laws. Many were cruel laws that demanded people be stoned to death. However if the person would pay money not to be killed then they weren't. The poor were killed for breaking the law forced on them and not having the money to not be killed. Jesus taught people cannot "buy" God's approval, it is not for sale. People cannot pay money to have their sins removed so the rich get richer and the poor are murdered to make people keep paying the rich out of fear.
Jesus did not come to remove belief in the 10 Commandments that God did give Moses. Moses had so much disrespect for those Commandments that Moses destroyed the tablets they were written on. Moses refused to show the command not to kill to thousands of people Moses wanted to kill for not following Moses. Yet remember, Moses killed an Egyptian and ran and hid from justice so he would not be punished for the murder. Moses was never repentant of that murder so remained a murderer hiding from justice. Lashing a man is wrong and cruel proving the Egyptian was not a kind man, but hitting a person is not a death penalty sin. Moses committed murder which is a death penalty sin. There were Hebrew/Jews that saw that murder and knew Moses should be punished for it. They saw Moses did as Moses pleased, and it was not righteousness based on justice. So, the Hebrew/Jews were afraid of Moses and wanted to leave his religion for one that would not threaten them with death by his unjust hand.
They did not turn to a "better" religion because none were available, as Jesus and John the Baptist were not yet born. Moses slaughtered them without mercy refusing to obey the command not to kill, and without obeying the command from God to show those people the 10 commandments. Those blood sacrifice laws Moses wrote do not obey the 10 Commandments.
Jesus told his disciples to believe in the OT prophets (that spoke of the future of Israel). They are written in parables and difficult to understand symbolism because Jews would kill their prophets if they did not agree with what they were told. But those prophets were shown visions of the future by God and we should try to understand what messages they give us. God did try to lead the Jews onto the correct path to worship the Living God but they refused to accept guidance and became as Lost Sheep following lies given to them as laws.
Because of 1 man named Abraham that formed the religions of Jews, Muslims and Christians, (3 of the 4 horsemen of the Apocalypse), the entire world, regardless of their beliefs, faces destruction in a world war thermonuclear un-survivable disaster.
Jesus said his kingdom is not here. NOT here and no kingdom will be set up here because humans make this planet a nuclear fallout hell. People today cannot stop the Fukushima power plant meltdown that happened in 2013 and it is the sign given as that nuclear core melting into the sea and the nuclear wastewater being poured into it, is "like a mountain of fire flowing into the sea". That nuclear contamination is constant and uncontrollable by man and that foretells what will happen to Earth in that final man-made gendered by Abraham war.
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David is one of the worst examples of a human on the entire planet.
He had lust, coveted that which did not belong to him, killed to reach a throne that did not belong to him, committed adultery, lied, murdered even murdering his own son. He lusted to kill people enjoying the act of slaughter so much he would kill devoid of mercy more than he was told is needed to be killed and he would satanically mutilate the dead.
Read Leviticus 20:10 David should be stoned to death for adultery. The law states for the act of adultery David is cut off from his people. But the truth is a vicious killer with an army to back him is not going to be stoned for anything David desired to do.
Try to stone David, David will kill you.
Scribes wrote David was righteous because if they didn't David would kill them.
See Abraham, Issaac, Jacob or David in the kingdom of God then be cast out with them for being a self-serving killer.
Jesus said there is no salvation in Jacobs well of traditional beliefs. Reject them. Jesus offers the water of Life and that is truth.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I understand. However, I'll go back to what Jesus said about the Sabbath and how it was interpreted wrongly. Let's see: (back to Luke 13 again...by the way, every time I read something again I learn something very good...)
"One Sabbath Jesus was teaching in one of the synagogues, "
(Teaching in one of the synagogues...)
11and a woman there had been disabled by a spirit for eighteen years. She was hunched over and could not stand up straight. 12When Jesus saw her, He called her over and said, “Woman, you are set free from your disability.” 13Then He placed His hands on her, and immediately she straightened up and began to glorify God.
14But the synagogue leader was indignant that Jesus had healed on the Sabbath. “
(The synagogue LEADER...)
****"There are six days for work,” he told the crowd. “So come and be healed on those days and not on the Sabbath.”
15“You hypocrites!” the Lord replied. “Does not each of you on the Sabbath untie his ox or donkey from the stall and lead it to water? 16Then should not this daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has kept bound for eighteen long years, be released from her bondage on the Sabbath day?” (Luke 13)***
So it would be interesting to see more about this in reference to the 613 laws thereof. Notice, please: it was the synagogue LEADER who assailed Jesus about healing on the Sabbath. Why did he criticize Jesus? Yet Jesus called those along with the synagogue LEADER hypocrites.
(By the way, to an extent the custom is practiced today to an extent among some rather religious populations, you probably know this though.)
I'm looking up about the 613 laws on chabad.org and it offers some interesting points which I may go into later.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
John 5, Jesus said:
"Do not think that I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, in whom you have put your hope. 46 If you had believed Moses, you would believe Me, because he wrote about Me. 47But since you do not believe what he wrote, how will you believe what I say?”
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Jesus is saying if you can believe in a liar with false laws how can you can believe in a man that tells you the truth that denies those laws are true. The words "Jesus Christ" are not in any of the writings of Moses. So Moses writing about Christ represents Jewish belief in a future savior. Moses wrote of ways to be saved from sin that Moses made up out of his imagination. Jews would not even obey the laws given to them by Moses because of the severity and their desire to sin so they ignored Moses by sinning anyway. They still claim to put their hope in the blood sacrifice laws of Moses believing them to be true to have their sins removed so Moses by his own personal dictates is the one that judges Jews. Jesus does not support those blood sacrifice laws so will not fault/accuse Jews before the Father for disobeying them.
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The laws of Moses, one of my favorites is it is a sin to pick up a bug. You will die if you have messy hair is another one. Makes me wonder if Moses had a beauty parlor as a side business. John the Baptist ate bugs, had messy hair and taught water baptism not blood sacrifice removes sin so that tells you how John felt about those Mosaic laws.
MyM
Well-Known Member
Then there should be a "Gospel ACCORDING to Paul" but there isn't. Why not if he was supposed to be a messenger of God? He created the resurrection. JESUS DIDN'T. He says so right in the Bible.
In the Abrahamic religions, Paul was not a messenger from God. You are reading translations from Hebrew/Greek that go in "his" favor...not that of Jesus'. So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. (Mark10:18)
Jesus preached ONE GOD. not the trinity where Paul said it was He THAT created the resurrection.
Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel. 2Timothy 2:8
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I use the RSV, which is the main Bible used by most theologians since it translates as close to the original Koine Greek as conveniently possible. The KJB is more "poetic" [reads more smoothly] but less precise, although more recent versions have done a better job being more direct.
Forced to be a "servant" is in reality a "slave", and no song & games will change that.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
So?
Ezekiel, per Ezekiel 34:23 & 37:24 was written well past the time of "David". David repented of his sin and was forgiven. Have you repented, and have you been forgiven of your sins, or do you still drag yourself to your physician to make an attempt to be healed (James 5:16)? Remember, God does not listen to the prayers of the sinner (John 9:31). God healed David and reunited his kingdom. If you are "righteous", why doesn't God listen to your prayer and heal you? Is Yeshua a descendant of David, of the tribe of Judah (Matthew 1:6), or a descendant of Saul, the tribe of Benjamin, as is Paul? If David cannot be judged and then forgiven, for looking at a woman with lust (Matthew 5:28) how are you to be forgiven? If you have been forgiven and healed, then I expect you can now burn the phone number of your physician. Yeshua denigrated the scribes as per Jeremiah 8:8, but referred to the Law and the prophets as "scripture" which cannot be broken, and for which he came to fulfill (Matthew 5:17), such as choosing the "worthless shepherd", Peter, (Zechariah 11:17), to "pasture" the "flock (gentile church) doomed for slaughter, and who would not feed, tend or care for the sheep (Zechariah 11:16 & John 21:15). As you judge others, so shall you be judged is the saying which is taken from Matthew 7:2.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
So? ?? I am astonished you ask that question.
He reprimanded the leader of the synagogue who was misinterpreting the "Law of God" about the Sabbath. He called those who misapply the Law of God (or laws, however you take that) as hypocrites.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
While most employers I would say do not beat their employees at least in the U.S., employees in many respects can be considered as slaves. There are other ways we are slaves. The Law was appropriate for the times. Sometimes, as you probably know, a slave wanted to stay with his master beyond the time designated.
Locust are "clean" insects per Leviticus 11:20-25. I don't know the source of your information, but you might want to hit the reset button, and get a larger type of print, and a better source bible. The vow of the Nazarene is to not cut their hair. Yeshua did not contest sacrifice per se, but the overcharging/cheating of the poor for their participation. Sacrifice will be reinstated after the "great tribulation" (Zechariah 14:21). In Jerusalem, the "Canaanites"/merchants, will no longer be found.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
No, it was not a "misinterpretation" but a different "application", which is very much a "kosher" debate under Jewish Law.