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Paul..fake liar or apostle?

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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Shermana said:
Yes, but on a debate board, if you can't back up your claims, that means you concede.

You can call me swine all you want, you can call me every insult you want like childish and offensive, that doesn't substitute for an answer. I do appreciate you showing off your question dodging and insult abilities nonetheless.
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Um, no. I'm not obligated to answer any of your stupid off-topic questions.

By the way, you're so obtuse that you don't even realise that it is YOU that are making the claims regarding the questions that you're mindlessly asking.
 
Shermana

Shermana

Heretic
angellous_evangellous said:
Um, no. I'm not obligated to answer any of your stupid off-topic questions.
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1. You're right about being under no obligation, and if you can't answer my questions, that speaks volumes. I just take it as concession and find it amusing your "childish" reactions. Orange Juice? Spongebob?

2. They're not off-topic at all, you can try calling them off-topic as a means to avoid discussing the facts, but please explain why they are off topic since they HAVE TO DO WITH PAUL
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Shermana said:
1. You're right about being under no obligation, and if you can't answer my questions, that speaks volumes. I just take it as concession and find it amusing your childish reactions.

2. They're not off-topic at all, you can try calling them off-topic as a means to avoid discussing the facts, but please explain why they are off topic since they HAVE TO DO WITH PAUL
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I demand that you prove to me that Paul is made of jello.

Just because a demand for proof mentions Paul doesn't mean that it's on topic.
 
Shermana

Shermana

Heretic
angellous_evangellous said:
I demand that you prove to me that Paul is made of jello.

Just because a demand for proof mentions Paul doesn't mean that it's on topic.
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I find it extra amusing you accused my replies of being Childish.

Umm, the demand for proof involves Paul's epistles and their theological place as to their origin, who used them, and whether or not they are in league with Jesus' teachings.

The question of why the 47 A.D. date is given for 1 Thes is relevant too.

I don't see why they're so off topic exactly.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Shermana said:
In denial that there's evidence for the Epistles being used before Marcion? Absolutely.

Hopefully you at least admit the Pastorals are forgeries.
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The pastorals were written by demon-possessed grasshoppers.
 
waitasec

waitasec

Veteran Member
i think he's a liar...he did say that jesus came to him after all.
and i find it interesting that jesus didn't let his brother james take over...or any of his disciples...paul was just a better politician then the other poor blokes...
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
waitasec said:
i think he's a liar...he did say that jesus came to him after all.
and i find it interesting that jesus didn't let his brother james take over...or any of his disciples...paul was just a better politician then the other poor blokes...
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According to tradition, James did take over.
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
waitasec said:
i think he's a liar...he did say that jesus came to him after all.
and i find it interesting that jesus didn't let his brother james take over...or any of his disciples...paul was just a better politician then the other poor blokes...
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I agree

There is a reason so many people despise him.

he had a agenda
 
Shermana

Shermana

Heretic
angellous_evangellous said:
The evidence speaks!
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In the same way that books can speak. "This books here says that..."

And the evidence paints a picture that Paul had a different Theology.....as well as that there was indeed an attempt to make up epistles and attribute them to Paul, like the Pastorals, Ephesians, 2 Thesalonians....

Heck, the modern Christian establishment still attributes Hebrews to Paul when the early Church Fathers even said otherwise.
 
Shermana

Shermana

Heretic
angellous_evangellous said:
Yeah, that's my concern.
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So then, be concerned about the fact that there is no evidence that Paul's epistles were in use by the Early pre-70 A.D. Church.

Be concerned that the Pastorals are universally said to be written in the 2nd century.

Be concerned that there was an obvious, concerted effort to make up "Deutero" Pauline epistles, and attribute them to Paul to support various Theologies.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Shermana said:
So then, be concerned about the fact that there is no evidence that Paul's epistles were in use by the Early pre-70 A.D. Church.

Be concerned that the Pastorals are universally said to be written in the 2nd century.

Be concerned that there is an obvious, concerted effort to make up "Deutero" Pauline epistles, and attribute them to Paul to support various Theologies.
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Oh man just keep going! :biglaugh:
 
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