No not me. But before Jesus ascended there was no human kindred spirit there. Why would anyone go there?
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Paul vs "the law" (can humans earn righteousness?)
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Simplelogic
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Actually….its the other way around. A person can ONLY repent of something that they are personally responsible for. If humans are born inherently evil, this means we are not responsible for the evil we commit…we were simply born that way! This is why most Christians are incapable of actually repenting. They don't really believe they are responsible for the sins they have committed. Its all a byproduct of their "sinful nature" that they were born with.
Simplelogic
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So God sends good people to hell?
RedDragon94
Love everyone, meditate often
What I mean is that human beings have a natural propensity toward evil. I'm not saying that we aren't responsible for our actions.
Any Christian that takes that position is neglecting Romans 6:1-2 and Romans 14:12.
Simplelogic
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Original sin literally means that human beings are born evil and guilty. This means humans are not responsible for their own sin. They were born that way!!
RedDragon94
Love everyone, meditate often
Mark 10:18. I think this statement really shows the Jewishness of Jesus.
That is your definition of original sin. I believe that humans weren't created evil but chose that. It's like having an ancestor that was an alcoholic and that alcoholism being in your genes.
Simplelogic
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Humans are born with the propensity for evil or for God. Our choice is what defines us as one or the other. Here are some relevant verses which destroy original sin/total depravity:
"They even sacrificed their sons and their daughters to demons, and shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and daughters..." Psalm 106:37,38
"For before the child shall know to refuse the evil and choose the good... Isaiah 7:16
"They even sacrificed their sons and their daughters to demons, and shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and daughters..." Psalm 106:37,38
"For before the child shall know to refuse the evil and choose the good... Isaiah 7:16
Simplelogic
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Then you don't believe in original sin.
Simplelogic
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Agreed. I actually follow Jesus/Yeshua.
RedDragon94
Love everyone, meditate often
I don't believe what you're saying about original sin. I believe in original sin.
Are you equating life on Earth and hell? It's not hell for me. It never will be, I am sure.
RedDragon94
Love everyone, meditate often
Cool. I thought you were some sort of Jew by looking at your religion.
Simplelogic
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You can't have it both ways. Humans are either born sinful and guilty before God or they aren't.
RedDragon94
Love everyone, meditate often
I believe this. What Adam and Eve did when they ate the fruit condemns our whole species. You say yourself that in addition to being guilty we are also sinful.
They are not born guilty. They are born insufficient.
Simplelogic
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Huh? I personally don't believe in your version of hell or heaven. I believe "heaven" is coming to earth.
I was asking whether you believe good people will go to hell in your view.
I said that good people will live on Earth. There is no living in hell imo.
Simplelogic
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God says that every man will be held accountable for his own sins…not the sins of their parents: see Ezekiel 18.
Simplelogic
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Its comforting to know you don't believe in eternal torture. So what do you believe happens to these people when they die?
Simplelogic
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We don't have a sin nature. Nor are we guilty of sin for being born. Sin is a CHOICE…not a nature. We all have the same ability to do either good or evil.