Simplelogic
Well-Known Member
Then why does God call children the "innocent or blameless" if they are insufficient?
-
Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.
Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:- Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
- Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
- Access to private conversations with other members.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!
Paul vs "the law" (can humans earn righteousness?)
- Thread starter Simplelogic
- Start date
I was taught that nothing happens to the dead. God remembers them at the right time and causes their resurrection then. I do not know if that is true.
I am sure the nervous system is needed to be operational for torture to happen. Dead people do not have a working nervous system. I am sure.
Simplelogic
Well-Known Member
Thats an interesting perspective. Much better then what most Christians claim. They think God tortures those who don't believe in Jesus ETERNALLY.
It is because they have not sinned. My guess is all adults sin. Children are born of them who sin. Nothing clean can come out of something unclean.
RedDragon94
Love everyone, meditate often
We all have the ability to do good by what standard?
What verse?
Sleeppy
Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
The knowledge of good law, and the desire to abide in good law, originate with God.
Simplelogic
Well-Known Member
God literally says that keeping it makes us righteous.
Simplelogic
Well-Known Member
By God's standard.
The whole chapter of Ezekiel 18 is about how a son can't be held accountable for the sins of the father.
Simplelogic
Well-Known Member
Yet God calls them innocent. Which means clean. This disproves original sin.
Simplelogic
Well-Known Member
Here's another one where God declares men righteous because of his own works.
5“But if a man is righteous and practices justice and righteousness, 6and does not eat at the mountain shrines or lift up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, or defile his neighbor’s wife or approach a woman during her menstrual period7if a man does not oppress anyone, but restores to the debtor his pledge, does not commit robbery, but gives his bread to the hungry and covers the naked with clothing, 8if he does not lend money on interest or take increase, if he keeps his hand from iniquity and executes true justice between man and man, 9if he walks in My statutes and My ordinances so as to deal faithfully—he is righteous and will surely live,” declares the Lord GOD. Ezekiel 18: 5-9
God literally says that a man who does His commandments is RIGHTEOUS.
5“But if a man is righteous and practices justice and righteousness, 6and does not eat at the mountain shrines or lift up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, or defile his neighbor’s wife or approach a woman during her menstrual period7if a man does not oppress anyone, but restores to the debtor his pledge, does not commit robbery, but gives his bread to the hungry and covers the naked with clothing, 8if he does not lend money on interest or take increase, if he keeps his hand from iniquity and executes true justice between man and man, 9if he walks in My statutes and My ordinances so as to deal faithfully—he is righteous and will surely live,” declares the Lord GOD. Ezekiel 18: 5-9
God literally says that a man who does His commandments is RIGHTEOUS.
YOU say innocent means clean. Who else says it?
Innocent means not guilty of an offense. Clean means free from marks. Being born of imperfect parents marks a person.
Simplelogic
Well-Known Member
Then why are they called innocent? If a person has committed no wrong then they are innocent in God's eyes.
I think that is correct. But an adult has choices. An adult can seek out the will of God to do. Most people do not do that. Correct?
The sin of omission is very heavy on everyone.
Sleeppy
Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
Be careful not to worship the words of men.
Simplelogic
Well-Known Member
Well said. This means Paul's doctrine of original sin is false. Humans are not born guilty before God at birth.
Simplelogic
Well-Known Member
Simplelogic
Well-Known Member
The inventiveness of the human mind can find ‘loopholes’ to rationalize even a flat contradiction. Paul's logic is clearly in opposition to the Hebrew text and there is no way around it.
Can you please provide the text which gives evidence Paul wrote a "doctrine of original sin".Well said. This means Paul's doctrine of original sin is false. Humans are not born guilty before God at birth.