Paul vs "the law" (can humans earn righteousness?)

[savagewind]

I disagree with Christian theology which says the original sin was disobedience. I think the original sin of so-called Eve and then Adam was OBEDIENCE to fleshly desire. I will do what I want to do is sin.

 

[savagewind]

It literally says "sin is lawlessness".

Maybe, maybe not. I read failure is sin.

 

[Simplelogic]

Maybe, maybe not. I read failure is sin.

failure of what?

 

[Simplelogic]

I disagree with Christian theology which says the original sin was disobedience. I think the original sin of so-called Eve and then Adam was OBEDIENCE to fleshly desire. I will do what I want to do is sin.

Huh?? They were clearly told not to eat from that tree. This was a command. They went against that command. This means disobedience.

 

[savagewind]

Look again! Both ἀνομία, and ἁμαρτία mean sin. Sin is sin. Oh! Thanks for the understatement.

 

[savagewind]

failure of what?

Please! lol. iS IS THIS A TEST?

 

[savagewind]

Huh?? They were clearly told not to eat from that tree. This was a command. They went against that command. This means disobedience.

OK Whatever you say

 

[Simplelogic]

Look again! Both ἀνομία, and ἁμαρτία mean sin. Sin is sin. Oh! Thanks for the understatement.

New International Version
Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.New Living Translation
Everyone who sins is breaking God's law, for all sin is contrary to the law of God.English Standard Version
Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.New American Standard Bible
Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.King James Bible
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.Holman Christian Standard Bible
Everyone who commits sin also breaks the law; sin is the breaking of law. International Standard Version
Everyone who keeps living in sin also practices disobedience. In fact, sin is disobedience. NET Bible
Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; indeed, sin is lawlessness.Aramaic Bible in Plain English
But whoever commits sin commits evil, for sin is entirely evil.GOD'S WORD® Translation
Those who live sinful lives are disobeying God. Sin is disobedience.Jubilee Bible 2000
Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.King James 2000 Bible
Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.American King James Version
Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.American Standard Version
Every one that doeth sin doeth also lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.Douay-Rheims Bible
Whosoever committeth sin commmitteth also iniquity; and sin is iniquity. Darby Bible Translation
Every one that practises sin practises also lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.English Revised Version
Every one that doeth sin doeth also lawlessness: and sin is lawlessness.Webster's Bible Translation
Whoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law; for sin is the transgression of the law.Weymouth New Testament
Every one who is guilty of sin is also guilty of violating Law; for sin is the violation of Law.World English Bible
Everyone who sins also commits lawlessness. Sin is lawlessness.Young's Literal Translation
Every one who is doing the sin, the lawlessness also he doth do, and the sin is the lawlessness,

 

[savagewind]

New International Version
Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.New Living Translation
Everyone who sins is breaking God's law, for all sin is contrary to the law of God.English Standard Version
Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.New American Standard Bible
Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.King James Bible
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.Holman Christian Standard Bible
Everyone who commits sin also breaks the law; sin is the breaking of law. International Standard Version
Everyone who keeps living in sin also practices disobedience. In fact, sin is disobedience. NET Bible
Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; indeed, sin is lawlessness.Aramaic Bible in Plain English
But whoever commits sin commits evil, for sin is entirely evil.GOD'S WORD® Translation
Those who live sinful lives are disobeying God. Sin is disobedience.Jubilee Bible 2000
Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.King James 2000 Bible
Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.American King James Version
Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.American Standard Version
Every one that doeth sin doeth also lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.Douay-Rheims Bible
Whosoever committeth sin commmitteth also iniquity; and sin is iniquity. Darby Bible Translation
Every one that practises sin practises also lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.English Revised Version
Every one that doeth sin doeth also lawlessness: and sin is lawlessness.Webster's Bible Translation
Whoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law; for sin is the transgression of the law.Weymouth New Testament
Every one who is guilty of sin is also guilty of violating Law; for sin is the violation of Law.World English Bible
Everyone who sins also commits lawlessness. Sin is lawlessness.Young's Literal Translation
Every one who is doing the sin, the lawlessness also he doth do, and the sin is the lawlessness,

Missing the mark, aren't they?

 

[savagewind]

Bad men and imposters advance from bad to worse misleading and being misled.

 

[Simplelogic]

Bad men and imposters advance from bad to worse misleading and being misled.

Ok…I'm going to bed. Goodnight.

 

[savagewind]

Ok…I'm going to bed. Goodnight.

We agree!

 

[Simplelogic]

Thanks for the lively discussion. Until next time.

 

[wizanda]

So the LORD repaid me according to my righteousness, according to my cleanness in His sight. 2 Sam 22: 25

Men clearly earn their righteousness.

Righteousness, could be seen as 'right wise us'..... It is someone who considers everyone, thinks and acts right... It isn't a merit badge, that you achieve with enough good deeds.

So the verse above, says because of someone's good qualities, God rewarded them....Suppose if you believed in original sin, you'd could think you needed to 'earn' your way back into God's favour.

Yeshua did say about doing good works to gain eternal life; yet that doesn't automatically qualify someone as righteous, just because of doing good deeds... It is a word used to describe character, thinking and intent as well.

 

[psychoslice]

I see the true connection with God., not through the law, but through the heart, or love, God isn't love, its the other way around, in love there is no god or any concepts of such things, needleless things as god is not needed in true love.

 

[savagewind]

Thats not what Psalm 49: 7 says. Men all sin because we choose to sin during our lifetime. Not because we are born sinful like Paul states.

All humans and animals are born to please themselves. According to Jesus Christ that is wrong. Agree?
It seems to me that sin and wrong are synonymous.
Humans have not evolved to the stage of oneness and that is the goal. Is it not?
Do you want more words?

 

[Simplelogic]

Righteousness, could be seen as 'right wise us'..... It is someone who considers everyone, thinks and acts right... It isn't a merit badge, that you achieve with enough good deeds.

So the verse above, says because of someone's good qualities, God rewarded them....Suppose if you believed in original sin, you'd could think you needed to 'earn' your way back into God's favour.

Yeshua did say about doing good works to gain eternal life; yet that doesn't automatically qualify someone as righteous, just because of doing good deeds... It is a word used to describe character, thinking and intent as well.

Would love to see a scripture verse that backs this idea up. Righteousness in the Bible is simply someone who follows God's commandments. It is earned.

 

[Simplelogic]

I see the true connection with God., not through the law, but through the heart, or love, God isn't love, its the other way around, in love there is no god or any concepts of such things, needleless things as god is not needed in true love.

I guess that depends on how you define love.

 

[savagewind]

It might be a sin to be unaware of what a neighbour is in need of. We do not know what is best for ourselves. We do not know what is best for our neighbors and we do not know what is best for the Earth. I think it is not wrong to call that Sin.

God knows what everyone needs. Works get a person to that place which knows what is best.

 

[savagewind]

Would love to see a scripture verse that backs this idea up. Righteousness in the Bible is simply someone who follows God's commandments. It is earned.

I think that is half way there. Righteousness is simply someone who follows God's lead.