Show me where NAFTA disallows remittance taxes, and if it does why hasn't Mexico sued Oklahoma?
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Payment for the border wall
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Koldo
Outstanding Member
Putting aside the diplomatic problems that may cause, once you get the money you can spend it anywhere. It is yours. That's money that could have been put to use anywhere. You are paying that wall from your own pockets, not Mexico's.
I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic here... the plan for a tax on remittances to offset the cost of construction was on Trump's campaign page for months before the election.
Even if that's true let's say, Trump never campaigned on "you're going to pay for the wall first and the US will try for remittance later," it was always "Mexico's going to pay for the wall."
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
There is nothing Trump, or anyone, can do to make them pay for it. Short of going to war, it ain't happening.
Because we don't see a magic money fairy that forces Mexico to pay for something they are NOT going to pay for?
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
No it wasn't! From day one it was "Mexico is going to pay for the wall." Now it's, "well, the tax payers are going to pay for it now." He may still say Mexico is paying for it, BUT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO PAY FOR IT!!! You may as well stop pretending and dreaming, because it will never happen.
I agree, I do not remember seeing it worded in the way on his website. It was always as you described it.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Even when you're getting stuck with the bill for a wall that is not going to do anything except sit there and cost a ton of money to build and tons more to maintain?
esmith
Veteran Member
Why is it that all of you that have an issue with this still thinks it has to be a physical structure?
A physical border structure does work. I suggest you take a serious look at the results of the border fence in Yuma AZ
Yeah I know you don't trust the source but the information comes from the Border Patrol Agent's working the area.
'It works': Yuma's fence, manpower make border nearly impenetrable
tytlyf
Not Religious
That's what Trump ran on. He said it would be super tall, extremely beautiful, impenetrable, and be coated in 24k gold.flake. The greatest wall in the universe. He didn't make that up did he?
You see, conservatives want the actual physical wall. They don't like these illegals, especially the canadian ones. So you get a wall on both sides, otherwise the borders aren't secure.
The reason conservatives really really want a wall on the southern border is because they think we have no walls there now. They believe our southern border isn't patrolled, is wide open, and illegals are gleefully walking over the border into any city of their choice.
Someone teaches them
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
When the cartels have people who can tunnel their way out of prison, how can we expect a wall to work? One town doesn't mean the wall is working, it means they are going other routes. Many times this means going underneath the "border" itself.
Trump was talking about remittances in August of 2015, the month after he first said we would build a wall.
It has already been explained and there is nothing Mexico can do to stop it, should congress acquiesce.
August 2015. That is when Trump said action against remittances will be used if Mexico refuses to pay upfront.
And once again you're dodging the obvious bait and switch that was addressed with the OP. He said Mexico would be paying for the wall, not reimbursing the USA after we pay to build it.
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
Clue us in. It's not up to us to resolve this conundrum. Just because Comrade Trumpsky says it will be so, doesn't make it so. I know! You hadn't even considered that, have you? How whack is that? You're going to find out in the next four years that he won't deliver on the majority of his promises.
It isn't a bait and switch if he campaigned with that stance for over a year prior to his election. The facts simply aren't in favor of attacking Trump on this point.
The left needs to calm down, you'll get your chances to shout "Aha! He broke a promise!" He'll break several/many/most of his promises just like every elected official. A lot of them aren't even in the Presidential purview.
tytlyf
Not Religious
That's the main thing he campaigned on, illegal immigration and the wall. Now you're finding out Mexico isn't going to pay for it. And you're going to figure out he isn't going to build anything at all. But you trust him.
I'd expect no less than that a leftist understands it as thus.
August 2015 is an interesting understanding of "now" for finding out that if Mexico refuses to pay directly they'll pay via action on remittances.
Exactly.
And if we're going to start extorting money out of other countries, why limit ourselves to Mexico? Canada has more of it.
Pony up @YmirGF, that little island of yours doesn't look too defensible. You are a Trump supporter, right?
Tom
tytlyf
Not Religious
Those are the facts, illegal immigration and the wall was his main thing in the beginning of the campaign. Remember 'mexicans are rapists?" All RW media outlets talking about how illegal immigration and the wall was the thing attracting supporters to Trump. Want me to post examples?
Mexico stated they aren't paying for the wall. Trump has admitted they aren't paying for the wall, America will be. In order to cover himself, Trump has 'kicked the issue down the road' by saying 'someday mexico will pay for it.' Pretty convenient, but expected.
There won't be a wall built.