Payment for the border wall

[Shadow Wolf]

It has already been explained and there is nothing Mexico can do to stop it, should congress acquiesce.

Things like tariffs and confiscated drug money is not Mexico paying for the wall. Saying "Mexico is going to pay for the wall" does not mean the Sinola Federation and the Jalisco New Generation are going to pay for it, nor does it means the various companies are going to pay for it with tariffs. That wouldn't even be them paying it, as it would be money that the US Federal government took in, using their (our) money to pay for it. What "Mexico is going to pay for it means" is the nation of Mexico is going to pay for it out of the Mexican budget: this will never happen.

August 2015. That is when Trump said action against remittances will be used if Mexico refuses to pay upfront.

And he's living in a fantasy world if he thinks that will work or even even come close to paying for even a tiny portion of the wall.

 

[YmirGF]

Exactly.
And if we're going to start extorting money out of other countries, why limit ourselves to Mexico? Canada has more of it.
Pony up @YmirGF, that little island of yours doesn't look too defensible. You are a Trump supporter, right?
Tom

LOL.... watch it, bud. Canadians torched the White House at one time... And no, I am not a bona fide Trump supporter though it is true that I think he is exactly what America deserves. At least Hillary was not put in charge. That would have been a disaster.

 

[tytlyf]

At least Hillary was not put in charge. That would have been a disaster.

What's the main thing about Clinton that you think would have been a disaster?

 

[Mister_T]

It isn't a bait and switch if he campaigned with that stance for over a year prior to his election. The facts simply aren't in favor of attacking Trump on this point.

The left needs to calm down, you'll get your chances to shout "Aha! He broke a promise!" He'll break several/many/most of his promises just like every elected official. A lot of them aren't even in the Presidential purview.

What you fail to acknowledge though is that he never campaigned on what he is saying now, those are the facts. "The Left" doesn't need to calm down in this particular instance, Trump supporters need to stop being intellectually dishonest by making lavish excuses for every alleged "mishap" that comes out of Trump's mouth.

 

[tytlyf]

What you fail to acknowledge though is that he never campaigned on what he is saying now, those are the facts. "The Left" doesn't need to calm down in this particular instance, Trump supporters need to stop being intellectually dishonest by making lavish excuses for every alleged "mishap" that comes out of Trump's mouth.

They can't go against Trump's word. If they do, penal camps for punishment. You can't criticize the leaders in a dictatorship without consequences,

 

[Shadow Wolf]

What's the main thing about Clinton that you think would have been a disaster?

Great question! My main objections to her were corporate friendliness and vocalizing desires to continue bombing the Middle East. Both of these apply to Trump.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The left needs to calm down, you'll get your chances to shout "Aha! He broke a promise!" He'll break several/many/most of his promises just like every elected official. A lot of them aren't even in the Presidential purview.

He's been breaking them and isn't even if office yet. No special investigation and prosecution for Hillary, easing up on a blanket deportation of illegal immigrants to just focus on those with a criminal record, second thoughts on getting rid of everything that is the ACA, he's building the wall without Mexico contributing a dime, and he didn't "drain the swamp" but rather maintained the status quo with powerful insiders.

 

[Mister Emu]

Things like tariffs and confiscated drug money is not Mexico paying for the wall.

Considering a remittance taxe would both be worse for Mexico and bring in more money than Mexico paying for the wall outright, it really is.

And he's living in a fantasy world if he thinks that will work or even even come close to paying for even a tiny portion of the wall.

A 10% remittance tax would pay for the wall in 8 years.

What you fail to acknowledge though is that he never campaigned on what he is saying now, those are the facts

Those aren't the facts because he did campaign on exactly this. A campaign is not limited to speech and rally soundbites.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Exactly.
And if we're going to start extorting money out of other countries, why limit ourselves to Mexico? Canada has more of it.
Pony up @YmirGF, that little island of yours doesn't look too defensible. You are a Trump supporter, right?
Tom

As I mentioned earlier, the US took $5 billion in illegal tarrifs from Canadian businesses for decades. The court ended up ordering the US government to pay back $4 billion of it... though IIRC, the US kept ~$1 billion of the ill-gotten money and those Canadian companies didn't compensated for the damage to their businesses.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

A 10% remittance tax would pay for the wall in 8 years.

So it will take eight years to cover the cost, but what about upkeep, which won't take long before it starts to exceed the build cost.

Those aren't the facts because he did campaign on exactly this. A campaign is not limited to speech and rally soundbites.

He campaigned on Mexico, not the US taxpayers, fronting the bill for the wall.

 

[Mister_T]

Those aren't the facts because he did campaign on exactly this. A campaign is not limited to speech and rally soundbites.

Please show us this proof that Trump campaigned on "America would be paying for the wall and reimbursed later." Either someone is not recalling things properly or you're misunderstanding/stretching the definition of "remittance."

 

[metis]

Please show us this proof that Trump campaigned on "America would be paying for the wall and reimbursed later." Either someone is not recalling things properly or you're misunderstanding/stretching the definition of "remittance."

You might google it as Trump just repeated it last week.

 

[Mister_T]

You might google it as Trump just repeated it last week.

I know he said that last week, I'm talking about prior to that during his campaign. I don't recall Trump ever claiming that USA would need to pay for his wall first and that Mexico would pay us back, rather it was always stated that Mexico would pay for the wall. Did he state this somewhere prior to last week?

 

[Monk Of Reason]

So, it looks like Trump will be making taxpayers pay for the extension of the wall along the Mexico/US border. But vows that the Mexican government will pay for it later. What do you think? Are you okay with your tax dollars going towards this? Do you think the Mexican government will pay for it later?

For me? I want to see more effective measures for dealing with illegal immigrations. But, I am not convinced the wall is the right way to do it. Whacha think?

I don't think it will get congressional approval. Its a stupid idea. For one thing you can't build a wall on a river which covers nearly half of our boarder. There are things that need to be done about immigration that is for damn sure. But a wall isn't going to do anything. ITs just going to cost a lot of money and make a lot of problems.

 

[metis]

I know he said that last week, I'm talking about prior to that during his campaign. I don't recall Trump ever claiming that USA would need to pay for his wall first and that Mexico would pay us back, rather it was always stated that Mexico would pay for the wall. Did he state this somewhere prior to last week?

I think so, but not very far back. I do not recall him saying anything about that prior to the campaign though.

 

[Mister_T]

I think so, but not very far back. I do not recall him saying anything about that prior to the campaign though.

Right, and that's the issue here. We have people claiming that this caveat was part of Trump's campaign long before the election.

 

[Mister Emu]

So it will take eight years to cover the cost, but what about upkeep, which won't take long before it starts to exceed the build cost.

That is moving the goalpost. The plan from Trump has always been that Mexico would pay towards the initial cost. A "one time payment of 10 billion" to quote his paper on how the wall will be funded.

Either someone is not recalling things properly

That would be you.

https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/Pay_for_the_Wall.pdf

Could a President Trump Really Impound All Immigrant Payments to Mexico?
Here is an article discussing it from Aug of 2015, as I said.

 

[Mister_T]

That would be you.

https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/Pay_for_the_Wall.pdf

Could a President Trump Really Impound All Immigrant Payments to Mexico?
Here is an article discussing it from Aug of 2015, as I said.

No, I believe that would be you since you keep dancing around what the actual issue of the OP is. Your article only goes over remittance options from what I see, which is not the issue.

I asked where Donald Trump in his campaign has stated that USA will be paying for the wall first and trying to get Mexico to pay it back afterwards. Do you actually have proof that this was something he campaigned on, or shall we keep dodging because he never actually said this until a week or two ago?

By the way, even Donald Trump quasi admits having USA pay for the wall at first is something new and the reasoning is for "the sake of speed." I'm not really sure why he can indirectly admit it's new caveat but his supporters refuse to.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

That is moving the goalpost. The plan from Trump has always been that Mexico would pay towards the initial cost. A "one time payment of 10 billion" to quote his paper on how the wall will be funded.

We have a better chance of Pence getting a sex change than Mexico paying for the wall. They have already said no. There is nothing within his power to force them to pay for it. So if it passes it will either go to the debt or be paid for by us.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

The wall will never be effective, American businesses will see to that. They need a constant supply of cheap Mexican labour. To keep their factories and farms producing at the lowest cost.
They pay lip service to the law, but they not Mexico is the reason that ther are so many illegals.
Illegals need money, and businesses employ them in increasing numbers.
If there was no ready work they would not come
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