Peace will triumph in Europe. No more War Hawks.

[Stevicus]

If nobody would have answered the desperate cry of Ukraine to support them, then Ukraine would have been overrun and obliterated.

Speculation.

 

[Mock Turtle]

A war cannot last a century.

Russia annexed four regions. Just four regions. Not the entire country.
Let's accept this and move on.

Glad to see you used the correct word here 'annexed' rather than 'joined'. Some progress then.

 

[Estro Felino]

Glad to see you used the correct word here 'annexed' rather than 'joined'. Some progress then.

We annexed South Tyrol too.
1918.
Are we criminals as well?

Or is that ok, because the US said it was ok?

 

[Regiomontanus]

It all depends upon what one supports & does.

Yes. There is much I admire about the Russian and even Soviet people and culture historically, particularly their literature and scientific achievements. Dostoevsky and Tolstoy top my list of the former, Zeldovich and many others of the latter.

 

[Mock Turtle]

We annexed South Tyrol too.
1918.
Are we criminals as well?

Or is that ok, because the US said it was ok?

Well, fortunately Italy will not be annexed by France, Austria, or Switzerland, given they are not barbarians - unlike some in Russia - which has a habit of such border issues, and handed down from its USSR days no doubt - so still in the memory of some, especially Lord Vulgamort (Putin) - named after his tendency for thuggery and use of exotic poisons.

 

[Estro Felino]

Yes. There is much I admire about the Russian and even Soviet people and culture historically, particularly their literature and scientific achievements. Dostoevsky and Tolstoy top my list of the former, Zeldovich and many others of the latter.

I am Italian, ok?
In my country I have never heard of the mantra that Russia was a dangerous country.
Quite the opposite.
We still feel guilty because Mussolini invaded Russia, dragged by the Nazis in that war.

Raised in the nineties, in my school the history class was something like "That's beautiful! The cold war is over! Russians and us are friends! Hurrah!"

So...all the leftist media from overseas are literally gaslighting us, gagging us, saying we fear Russia. We have never feared Russia. Not even for a second.

 

[Estro Felino]

Well, fortunately Italy will not be annexed by France, Austria, or Switzerland, given they are not barbarians - unlike some in Russia - which has a habit of such border issues, and handed down from its USSR days no doubt - so still in the memory of some, especially Lord Vulgamort (Putin) - named after his tendency for thuggery and use of exotic poisons.

What a coincidence....
so many politicians went to visit Putin and nobody was poisoned.

I prefer to believe in Morgan Le Fay and the Blue Fairy.

 

[Mock Turtle]

What a coincidence....
so many politicians went to visit Putin and nobody was poisoned.

I prefer to believe in the Morgan Le Fay and the Blue Fairy.

You are very selective in believing evidence then - as to the polonium and Novichok incidents.

 

[Regiomontanus]

So...all the leftist media from overseas are literally gaslighting us, gagging us, saying we fear Russia. We have never feared Russia. Not even for a second.

I find it hard to believe any country around Russia is truly fearful. Putin is not stupid and he knows that attacking a NATO member would be suicidal. I think that, at some level, many in the US and Europe want Putin to do that. War is profitable for many corporations!

 

[Altfish]

Evidently they have different rules as for referenda.

If Ukraine (as a whole) had organised the referendum, like the UK organised the Scottish one, its legitimacy would have been valid.

 

[Estro Felino]

You are very selective in believing evidence then - as to the polonium and Novichok incidents.

You also need to understand that I come from a different country.

In my country the Russophiles are in almost every political party.
Italian Communist Party, Populist parties, leftist parties, rightist parties.

 

[Estro Felino]

I find it hard to believe any country around Russia is truly fearful. Putin is not stupid and he knows that attacking a NATO member would be suicidal. I think that, at some level, many in the US and Europe want Putin to do that. War is profitable for many corporations!

Bravo.
I couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[Estro Felino]

If Ukraine (as a whole) had organised the referendum, like the UK organised the Scottish one, its legitimacy would have been valid.

Imagine that Kiev is the evil jailer who wants to keep 4 prisoners against their will.

So you want the jailer to manage their referendum for their freedom out?

 

[Altfish]

Imagine that Kiev is the evil jailer who wants to keep 4 prisoners against their will.

So you want the jailer to manage their referendum for their freedom out?

Good grief, you have no idea the hatred that Scottish Independents have for Westminster.

 

[F1fan]

How will the war end?

putin dies.

 

[Stevicus]

I am Italian, ok?
In my country I have never heard of the mantra that Russia was a dangerous country.
Quite the opposite.
We still feel guilty because Mussolini invaded Russia, dragged by the Nazis in that war.

Raised in the nineties, in my school the history class was something like "That's beautiful! The cold war is over! Russians and us are friends! Hurrah!"

So...all the leftist media from overseas are literally gaslighting us, gagging us, saying we fear Russia. We have never feared Russia. Not even for a second.

I think the Cold War entailed a great deal of gaslighting in America, although it didn't really come from leftist media. In fact, the left's support of the anti-war movement was viewed by many on the right as sympathizing with the enemy, tantamount to treason. That's a whole lot of gaslighting right there (although I could probably think of more colorful terms for it).

Europe seemed to be more tolerant somewhat, particularly France and Italy which had elected communists in some areas. And France and Russia have had periods of good, close relations in the past - mainly because they were both wary of Germany.

My view is that any large and powerful country has the potential to become dangerous if not dealt with in the right way. Even smaller countries can become that way. But the other side of that is that, just because we are also a large and powerful country, we can't just unilaterally decide that we get to call the shots and dictate the terms.

 

[Estro Felino]

putin dies.

There are successors that are less diplomatic than Putin, in Russia.

For the record.

 

[Estro Felino]

I think the Cold War entailed a great deal of gaslighting in America, although it didn't really come from leftist media. In fact, the left's support of the anti-war movement was viewed by many on the right as sympathizing with the enemy, tantamount to treason. That's a whole lot of gaslighting right there (although I could probably think of more colorful terms for it).

I understand that.
Because a politician sympathizing for bankers or financial élites is seen as treason here.
Very different.

Europe seemed to be more tolerant somewhat, particularly France and Italy which had elected communists in some areas.

Yes, indeed. And socialists. Like socialist PM Craxi.

 

[F1fan]

There are successors that are less diplomatic than Putin, in Russia.

For the record.

So the war against a sovereign Ukraine will continue, in your opinion?

 

[Estro Felino]

So the war against a sovereign Ukraine will continue, in your opinion?

No. The war is going to terminate.

So the people who love playing war, they can do that with toy soldiers.