Peace will triumph in Europe. No more War Hawks.

[Altfish]

It's a territorial controversy about historically Russian regions. Russian-speaking regions.

Since Ukraine will join the EU, I guess the EU has a say...and if they want to be regions of the Russian Federation, let them be.

Based on that argument perhaps the UK should invade the US and Canada, English speaking (well most of it) countries that we used to rule.

 

[Estro Felino]

Based on that argument perhaps the UK should invade the US and Canada, English speaking (well most of it) countries that we used to rule.

Those four regions decided through referendum to stay in the Russian Federation.

Like Scotland which decided to stay in the UK.

 

[Estro Felino]

ty v kraj rodnoj rodnaja pesnja nasha

 

[Stevicus]

Exactly.

Europeans had this war at the doors of the EU.
It was 2 years and a half of nightmare. A real never-ending nightmare.

The Americans who voted for Trump saved us. They literally saved our lives. Because we were threatened by nuclear war.

Trump appears to be more focused on the Middle East, the border with Mexico, and possibly China.

It's interesting how geopolitical perceptions can be so different among political factions. They may all want to protect America's allies and national interests, but there seems to be profound disagreement over what our interests are, who our friends are, and (most importantly) who our enemies are. Some might see the situation on the US border with Mexico as a graver threat to US security than Russia at present. Or, there might be those who see Iran as a more serious threat than Russia. Or maybe none of the above.

I seriously doubt that very many people give these matters much serious thought, as most people just seem to tune into the news to find out who America's "enemy du jour" happens to be. I also don't see that America's policymakers act in good faith for America's genuine national interests, and instead seem to be working towards the interests of an international coalition, not just America itself. Some see that as more of a mask to hide the ugly "American Empire" underneath, suggesting America is an imperialistic state dominating much of the world. If that's the case, then it would seem that we made some enemies along the way.

 

[Estro Felino]

Trump appears to be more focused on the Middle East, the border with Mexico, and possibly China.

Exactly.
And on more serious matters.
He prefers to fix the economy and the industry than playing war as certain kindergarten politicians like to do.
I don't want to offend kids. They are smarter than them.

It's interesting how geopolitical perceptions can be so different among political factions. They may all want to protect America's allies and national interests, but there seems to be profound disagreement over what our interests are, who our friends are, and (most importantly) who our enemies are. Some might see the situation on the US border with Mexico as a graver threat to US security than Russia at present. Or, there might be those who see Iran as a more serious threat than Russia. Or maybe none of the above.

I seriously doubt that very many people give these matters much serious thought, as most people just seem to tune into the news to find out who America's "enemy du jour" happens to be. I also don't see that America's policymakers act in good faith for America's genuine national interests, and instead seem to be working towards the interests of an international coalition, not just America itself. Some see that as more of a mask to hide the ugly "American Empire" underneath, suggesting America is an imperialistic state dominating much of the world. If that's the case, then it would seem that we made some enemies along the way.

There is the people... who are what's matters the most. And then there are the élites. Who don't matter in my eyes.

 

[Stevicus]

Totally called for, considering that
you'd just used that very tool.
And all of RF is unnecessary.

I'm just saying that it's better to stay on point, to stick to the issues and keep personalities out of it.

Same reason as I deny the Moon landings were
faked, that the Jews caused 9/11, & that vaccines
are designed to introduce nano-bots with which
government will control us.

That just sounds like more histrionics.

Oh, I've watched you coyly defend
Russia's violent conquest.

And I've watched you, too. But the difference between us is that you choose to make it personal, whereas for me, it's not. That's because my position is more neutral and objective about it.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm just saying that it's better to stay on point, to stick to the issues and keep personalities out of it.

I addressed what you posted.
Your above re-invention of it
actually makes sense.

 

[Altfish]

Those four regions decided through referendum to stay in the Russian Federation.

Like Scotland which decided to stay in the UK.

And who organised the Ukraine referendum; and did any side boycott it?

 

[Estro Felino]

And who organised the Ukraine referendum; and did any side boycott it?

The people of those 4 regions.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

You're from Benelux, right?

Let's be frank...Benelux... come on.
The EU is Germany-France-Italy. The old HRE.

Germany can't sustain the war any more...and I believe Scholz will be sensible.

So in other words, there are no such links and you are once again just making false claims. Pretending as if your wishes are truth.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Economic support for the reconstruction.
Nothing about war.

Again I will ask, please show me any evidence that the EU no longer wishes to give military support.
You can't, can you?

You can't even show me such evidence from your dear Italy

 

[Altfish]

The people of those 4 regions.

There were two questions. You've answered one.
If the SNP had organised a referendum, Scotland would have voted leave. BUT half of Scotland would have ignored it.
What I'm saying is, it would not be valid, like the one in Ukraine wasn't valid.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

They could try to salvage something out of this, but Ukraine and Russia may have to do it on their own - without Western mediation or interference (which is how it should have been done in the first place).

If nobody would have answered the desperate cry of Ukraine to support them, then Ukraine would have been overrun and obliterated.

 

[Estro Felino]

Again I will ask, please show me any evidence that the EU no longer wishes to give military support.

The evidence was that it's the Democratic Party who was forcing us EU countries to fund this idiotic war.

The Democratic Party has lost.

 

[Estro Felino]

If nobody would have answered the desperate cry of Ukraine to support them, then Ukraine would have been overrun and obliterated.

A war cannot last a century.

Russia annexed four regions. Just four regions. Not the entire country.
Let's accept this and move on.

 

[Estro Felino]

There were two questions. You've answered one.
If the SNP had organised a referendum, Scotland would have voted leave. BUT half of Scotland would have ignored it.
What I'm saying is, it would not be valid, like the one in Ukraine wasn't valid.

Evidently they have different rules as for referenda.

 

[Estro Felino]

So in other words, there are no such links and you are once again just making false claims. Pretending as if your wishes are truth.

In my opinion the EU institutions have an oversized opinion of themselves. It's psychiatrically interesting how certain Belgian technocrats think the other Europeans see them as "authoritative".
They should understand that the decisions are taken by the single EU member states.

So if the states decide it's time to stop any kind of military support to Ukraine...the EU has no say in this.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Tool of the ardent Russophile....
Attempt to discredit criticism of Putin & Russia by
mischaracterizing it as histrionics. I recall no one
claiming they plan to "conquer the whole world".
Instead it was that their violent conquest had
additional contiguous targets.

The question now....will Trump oppose or enable
Russia's consuming its neighbors?

Trump gets his jollies from "strength," and consuming your neighbours is "strong." I'm sure he'll quite enjoy watching Russia swallow up a few nearby countries. That Moldova's looking pretty tasty, don't you think?

 

[Stevicus]

Exactly.
And on more serious matters.
He prefers to fix the economy and the industry than playing war as certain kindergarten politicians like to do.
I don't want to offend kids. They are smarter than them.

There is the people... who are what's matters the most. And then there are the élites. Who don't matter in my eyes.

I've heard the phrase "out of touch" often associated with the Democratic party leadership, but put a different way, I get the sense that they've been misreading their audience. The sad thing underlying all of it is that neither side really has any new ideas or any real imagination or creativity to come up with something to get us out of this mess.

When we speak of the elites, I think of the wealthy corporate interests and people who went to the "elite" universities, belonged to elite clubs and fraternities - the "upper crust" who are supposedly better educated, more sophisticated, wealthier, more intelligent, and simply from a far better stock than the lowly peasants among the hoi polloi. The people who are employed as political strategists and planners aren't just pulled off the street. These are people who supposedly have academic credentials and ostensibly know what they're doing. These people are smart cookies, the "best and the brightest" as they used to say. They're not dummies by any standard, so it's hard to imagine how they can so much wrong and make so many mistakes.

 

[Estro Felino]

Trump gets his jollies from "strength," and consuming your neighbours is "strong." I'm sure he'll quite enjoy watching Russia swallow up a few nearby countries. That Moldova's looking pretty tasty, don't you think?

It's like I said: I think Trudeau Le Beau wants to conquer Alaska.
Alaska geographically belongs to Canada...so he intends to do it.
Do not trust the fuchsia Prime Minister.

Does that feel good?

Because assumptions about European lands ... based upon conspiracy theories sound like that.