Peace will triumph in Europe. No more War Hawks.

[F1fan]

No. The war is going to terminate.

So you admit that there’s a war, and that it’s ongoing while Putin is in power.

So the people who love playing war, they can do that with toy soldiers.

Putin’s ambition is not accurately described as playing war. Nor is Netanyahu’s ambition in Gaza. These two want territories that don’t belong to them. They are indifferent to the killing they cause.

 

[Estro Felino]

So you admit that there’s a war, and that it’s ongoing while Putin is in power.


Putin’s ambition is not accurately described as playing war. Nor is Netanyahu’s ambition in Gaza. These two want territories that don’t belong to them. They are indifferent to the killing they cause.

What I affirm is that the Democratic Party has been forcing us Europeans to fund this idiotic war on the tsar.

But now the Democratic Party has lost. So what will follow is peace. I mean...that Ukraine, without no more funds, it will be forced to make peace with Russia.

 

[George-ananda]

At present the war is looking like a never-ending money/human-lives pit with neither side able to win.

Ukraine has been heavily financially supported by the United States. But now with a Trump victory it seems he is looking for a negotiated end to the stalemated money pit. That will probably pressure Ukraine to make some territory concessions in exchange for peace.

However, I don't like making any concessions to evil (Putin). So, the answer I'd like is regime change in Russia but that requires continuously funding the money-pit with no clear end in sight, which the EU and America will find draining.

 

[Estro Felino]

At present the war is looking like a never-ending money/human-lives pit with neither side able to win.

Ukraine has been heavily financially supported by the United States. But now with a Trump victory it seems he is looking for a negotiated end to the stalemated money pit. That will probably pressure Ukraine to make some territory concessions in exchange for peace.

Compromise is something adults do.

Little territorial concessions is worth it. So much money saved and so many lives saved.

 

[F1fan]

What I affirm is that the Democratic Party has been forcing us Europeans to fund this idiotic war on the tsar.

But now the Democratic Party has lost. So what will follow is peace. I mean...that Ukraine, without no more funds, it will be forced to make peace with Russia.

Look at how you attempt to disinform. This isn’t 1917. There are no more Tsars in Russia. Putin is a dictator. And he invaded Ukraine.

You can’t acknowledge facts and we all see it.

 

[Estro Felino]

Look at how you attempt to disinform. This isn’t 1917. There are no more Tsars in Russia. Putin is a dictator. And he invaded Ukraine.

You can’t acknowledge facts and we all see it.

I say the truth.

I am very sorry for the Dems' loss...but they turned Kennedy down. With Kennedy they would have won.

Grasp all, lose all.

 

[viole]

Is it a sin to be a Russophile?

Nope. If it is not a sin to be a Russophobe.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Estro Felino]

Nope. If it is not a sin to be a Russophobe.

Ciao

- viole

It is a sin being a Russophobe and not to say it openly.

I appreciate honesty.

 

[Revoltingest]

Trump gets his jollies from "strength," and consuming your neighbours is "strong." I'm sure he'll quite enjoy watching Russia swallow up a few nearby countries. That Moldova's looking pretty tasty, don't you think?

It's been in Putin's sights.

 

[Koldo]

Those four regions decided through referendum to stay in the Russian Federation.

Like Scotland which decided to stay in the UK.

Support the UK conquering them first before a referendum then, just like Russia has done

 

[stvdv]

Another Russophile chimes in.

This is not about:
"To Be Russophile or Not To Be Russophile"

This is about Common Sense

USA loves to make money selling weapons to the Ukraine, understandable, but not good of course. En passant weaken Putins army is an extra bonus

It's nice and safe for them, war is far from their home.

But ultimately this will lead to a nuclear catastrophe in Europe. Not good.

Hence, the smart move is to stop selling arms

So, Common Sense, not Dollar Sense

 

[Revoltingest]

This is not about:
"To Be Russophile or Not To Be Russophile"

This is about Common Sense

USA loves to make money selling weapons to the Ukraine, understandable, but not good of course. En passant weaken Putins army is an extra bonus

Please explain how USA profits from sending
weapons to Ukraine. No one pays for them.
They don't come back. It costs money to
manufacture & deliver them.

It's nice and safe for them, war is far from their home.

You oppose being safe?
You oppose helping Ukraine resist
invasion by Putin's goons?

But ultimately this will lead to a nuclear catastrophe in Europe. Not good.

You're certain of this?
And there's no risk posed by enabling
Putin to continue his conquest?
Also, did it ever occur to you that a
nuclear attack on NATO countries
would also involve USA?

Hence, the smart move is to stop selling arms

How much is Ukraine paying for them?

So, Common Sense, not Dollar Sense

Common sense seems uncommon.

 

[stvdv]

Please explain how USA profits from sending
weapons to Ukraine. No one pays for them.
They don't come back. It costs money to
manufacture & deliver them

Will Ukraine have to pay back the aid sent to them once the war is over? Is the aid unconditional?

Dominic Cooper's answer: The naivety of most of these answers is staggering! Of course the aid is going to be paid back if possible. Some may be paid back formally by Ukraine actually sending payments, but that is likely to be least proportion. The rest will be paid back obliquely. So once the ...

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The naivety of most of these answers is staggering! Of course the aid is going to be paid back if possible.

Some may be paid back formally by Ukraine actually sending payments, but that is likely to be least proportion.

The rest will be paid back obliquely. So once the war is over, no matter how it ends, there will be US staffers de facto running Ukraine. They may not explicitly say they are repaying American gold (indeed, it's highly unlikely they would). But when a licence is given out for oil exploration, it will be going to a US multinational, the licence fees will be next to nothing, and the corporate tax will be fractions of a percent.

When contracts are issued to build new power stations, American companies will get the award. Pesky local Labour laws, national minimum wages, unionisation, etc., will be deemed not to apply. Special rules will make sure the winning contractor is able to extract the profit free of transfer taxes.

When new banking systems or telecommunications networks are installed, EU laws and regulations will be made to apply. The excuse for why German multinationals get the contracts will be that local Ukrainian companies were eligible but could not demonstrate compliance with the relevant European Directives the way Siemens can.

The US regime will demand “liberalisation” and “privatisation” in order to access IMF funds which will formally indebt Ukraine to the Western donor countries. Those privatised assets will be bought by US and UK companies and the prices those companies charge for running schools, hospitals, metro lines, buses, trains, etc., will of course be an order of magnitude higher than today.

These actions will increase Ukraine's GDP on paper, so they can sell it as a success story,and mask the value being extracted from Ukraine and repatriated westwards. If Ukraine gets EU membership, most professionals and educated middle class people will migrate westwards.

Nothing is for free.

 

[Revoltingest]

The naivety of most of these answers is staggering! Of course the aid is going to be paid back if possible.

I like the "if possible" part.

Some may be paid back formally by Ukraine actually sending payments, but that is likely to be least proportion.

And the "may be" part.

The rest will be paid back obliquely. So once the war is over, no matter how it ends, there will be US staffers de facto running Ukraine. They may not explicitly say they are repaying American gold (indeed, it's highly unlikely they would). But when a licence is given out for oil exploration, it will be going to a US multinational, the licence fees will be next to nothing, and the corporate tax will be fractions of a percent.

When contracts are issued to build new power stations, American companies will get the award. Pesky local Labour laws, national minimum wages, unionisation, etc., will be deemed not to apply. Special rules will make sure the winning contractor is able to extract the profit free of transfer taxes.

When new banking systems or telecommunications networks are installed, EU laws and regulations will be made to apply. The excuse for why German multinationals get the contracts will be that local Ukrainian companies were eligible but could not demonstrate compliance with the relevant European Directives the way Siemens can.

The US regime will demand “liberalisation” and “privatisation” in order to access IMF funds which will formally indebt Ukraine to the Western donor countries. Those privatised assets will be bought by US and UK companies and the prices those companies charge for running schools, hospitals, metro lines, buses, trains, etc., will of course be an order of magnitude higher than today.

These actions will increase Ukraine's GDP on paper, so they can sell it as a success story,and mask the value being extracted from Ukraine and repatriated westwards. If Ukraine gets EU membership, most professionals and educated middle class people will migrate westwards.

Nothing is for free.

Yet you've not shown that USA has received any payment.
Only claims that it might could possibly be repaid to some
extent...if possible.

 

[Estro Felino]

The dems keep gaslighting us Europens, saying Putin wants war.
That's not true. At all.
Putin came to Europe, saying in German "The Cold War is over" in 2001, and showing he is a perfect gentleman, that wants peace.

So an elitist circle of warmongers (leftists) keep spreading lies and lies and lies, saying we are scared of Putin, or we are threatened by Putin.

 

[danieldemol]

The dems keep gaslighting us Europens, saying Putin wants war.
That's not true. At all.

If Putin does not want war all he has to do is order the troops to retreat behind the Russian border in my view.

Putin came to Europe, saying in German "The Cold War is over" in 2001,

The problem is actions speak louder than words, and initiating a hot war in Ukraine has drowned out the noise of Putin's lies to the germans in my view.

 

[Estro Felino]

If Putin does not want war all he has to do is order the troops to retreat behind the Russian border in my view.

He already did.
Those four regions belong to the Russian Federation, now.

The problem is actions speak louder than words, and initiating a hot war in Ukraine has drowned out the noise of Putin's lies to the Germans in my view.

When Putin came to Rome last time, we rolled red carpets at him.
A very successful summit.

 

[danieldemol]

He already did.

Citation to a reliable source required in my view.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

but there may be less of a moral panic, and the kind of wild talk about "Russia is planning to conquer the whole world" will subside to some degree.

No one has claimed the whole world it. However it has been speculated he wants to rebuild the USSR, with other Russian officials stating claims beyond that with places such as Hokkaido (Japan) and Alaska. And indeed Putin has captured neighboring territory, and he hit a road block in his most recent effort.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The evidence was that it's the Democratic Party who was forcing us EU countries to fund this idiotic war.

So your "evidence" consists of just more claims. False claims, at that.