People are being manipulated into hating Muslims

[Twilight Hue]

May i ask a question and to reply it in honesty.

Why many countries make and develop mass destructiion weapons, tanks,
warplanes .,etc, is it because of religion and a holy book?

Not entirely if you seek my honest view on things, yet religion does, and had played major motivational roles in numerous wars and conflicts throughout history by which goals and objectives are either achieved or lost.

Religious motivation is an extremely pliable venue towards achieving various outcomes if implemented correctly and leaders, weither it be Goverment, tribal, or cult, won't hesitate to take advantage of that. There is no shortage of examples by which religion is manipulated into achieving goals and objectives by very smart and appealing individuals.

Many wars involving religion, as I see it, tend of course to be centralized over land or acquisition of some sort wether through hard or soft handed tactics, providing adequate motivation and drive for which people will pretty much obey under reward or threat whatever is instructed or told to accomplish that. That's what I see here in the case of Islam.

 

[FearGod]

Not entirely if you seek my honest view on things, yet religion does, and had played major motivational roles in numerous wars and conflicts throughout history by which goals and objectives are either achieved or lost.

Religious motivation is an extremely pliable venue towards achieving various outcomes if implemented correctly and leaders, weither it be Goverment, tribal, or cult, won't hesitate to take advantage of that. There is no shortage of examples by which religion is manipulated into achieving goals and objectives by very smart and appealing individuals.

Many wars involving religion, as I see it, tend of course to be centralized over land or acquisition of some sort wether through hard or soft handed tactics, providing adequate motivation and drive for which people will pretty much obey under reward or threat whatever is instructed or told to accomplish that. That's what I see here in the case of Islam.

Do you think Russia, USA, China and other countries are developing fatal weapons, bombs ..etc because of religion ?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Another Canadian has been beheaded in the Philippines. Heard it on the news this morning. He, his girlfriend, and their male companion (the first to be headed) were kidnapped while on holiday. Then there was the recent attack in Orlando murdering 50 people. Then there was the Islamist arrested while waiting for the gay parade to begin. His car full of weapons, ammunition, and materials to make explosives. The attacks are all carried out by Islamists -- and you think someone else is manipulating us into disliking this religion? Mohammad's followers are doing a fine job all on their own.

Oh, did I mention that ISIS called for Muslims to carry out attacks in the USA during the month of Ramadan!? Do I need to mention this is Ramadan?

The man waiting for the gay pride parade to begin packed to the teeth with guns and explosives was James Howell, a NRA card carrying conservative Christian from Indiana. Violent homophobia is not unique to the extremes of Muslim ideology.

 

[Tumah]

Do people not notice that someone is trying to turn us against the powers that be? We're being manipulated into hating them.

 

[Marsh]

The man waiting for the gay pride parade to begin packed to the teeth with guns and explosives was James Howell, a NRA card carrying conservative Christian from Indiana. Violent homophobia is not unique to the extremes of Muslim ideology.

Thanks for the info.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Do you think Russia, USA, China and other countries are developing fatal weapons, bombs ..etc because of religion ?

Depends on who is religious enough.

Even during the Warsaw pact era, Russia had orthodox cathedrals under state control. It's telling that religion, while not always central towards elite core interests, still illustrates its power and capability over others by those who see it's usefulness.

Still, it dosent nullify the fact that Islam right now is being used as a high profile war trumpet, weither it's viewed as defense against oppression or engaged active conquest as a means to an end like those of ISIS, its there, and very vocal and graphic as it stands, and is using Islam specifically. Not something that Russia, USA, and China would do as a rally call.

I still don't know what the trigger is other than those blaming the U.S. and it's allies for all the initial problems by which the response is considered retaliatory in nature.

I suspect it's considerably more than just that.

 

[FearGod]

Depends on who is religious enough.

Even during the Warsaw pact era, Russia had orthodox cathedrals under state control. It's telling that religion, while not always central towards elite core interests, still illustrates its power and capability over others by those who see it's usefulness.

Still, it dosent nullify the fact that Islam right now is being used as a high profile war trumpet, weither it's viewed as defense against oppression or engaged active conquest as a means to an end like those of ISIS, its there, and very vocal and graphic as it stands, and is using Islam specifically. Not something that Russia, USA, and China would do as a rally call.

I still don't know what the trigger is other than those blaming the U.S. and it's allies for all the initial problems by which the response is considered retaliatory in nature.

I suspect it's considerably more than just that.

Do you support the countries that develop warplanes and destructive weapons or you're against them?

 

[Theweirdtophat]

Yes, I'm well aware by this point that you enjoy conspiracy theories. For the rest of us, no, it isn't more believable. While the message about not demonizing Muslims is a good one, you kind of lost most of us there with the conspiracy theorist rhetoric. Sorry.

I don't "enjoy" it. I just notice the patterns and when you see history repeat itself, you notice these patterns

You think it's a coincidence that ever since 9/11 people have been focusing on Muslims and have been and started treating them more harshly?

I seriously don't get the whole dismissal with conspiracy as if every one of them is fake (even though some were proven to be true, but people don't bring that up)
Conspiracy theorist has become the same as nut job because apparently it's crazy to speak out against the status quo. I am bringing up things that go over people's heads because it's not talked about or discussed or it's taboo. The conspiracy theorists talk about things that go against what people believe or what they are told to believe and are therefore called crazy because the people don't know what else to call them.

Yeah i guess no government in the history of humanity has ever betrayed it's people, even though quite a few, in recent times especially have already done that. You never heard of false flags? They are pretty simple to make. You create a problem, find a scapegoat, come up with a so-called solution and people end up eating out of your hand. If you purposely destroy something and blame it at another group, then you have the people on your side, because they will practically beg you to do something.

Big governments want that. They want you to be confused, weak and divided. Why do people act like this is fantasy, this trick has been done before countless times.

For the record I don't believe in every single conspiracy theory like some people want to believe. But quite a few have truth in them.

 

[Theweirdtophat]

Another Canadian has been beheaded in the Philippines. Heard it on the news this morning. He, his girlfriend, and their male companion (the first to be headed) were kidnapped while on holiday. Then there was the recent attack in Orlando murdering 50 people. Then there was the Islamist arrested while waiting for the gay parade to begin. His car full of weapons, ammunition, and materials to make explosives. The attacks are all carried out by Islamists -- and you think someone else is manipulating us into disliking this religion? Mohammad's followers are doing a fine job all on their own.

Oh, did I mention that ISIS called for Muslims to carry out attacks in the USA during the month of Ramadan!? Do I need to mention this is Ramadan?

You ever met a Muslim in your life?

No, please answer that. You ever actually talked to one and worked with one? I have. I have known good Muslims, ones that cannot stand such acts. People over in the middle east have been dying, Muslim and non-Muslim alike by ISIS and other terrorist groups. I guess you never saw any of the Muslims that have been fighting and condemning these acts overseas, but I guess they don't count right?

Right?

Because they all believe in the exact same thing because they read the Quran. Yeah, I guess that's why there's different branches as well as different texts... There's over a billion and hundreds of millions of them don't force convert everyone. The Muslims I know have never done that to me or others. But instead, you read 2 pages of the Quran and come to the conclusion that these Muslim radicals represent every single Muslim and every Muslim must be supporting them. You never heard of governments using people to fulfill their needs? Think it's a coincidence that every time a mass shooting like this takes place, the powers that be speak out against guns, and try to stir to the people up. That's never happened before in history right?

THIS is the kind of ignorance that prevents us from evolving and moving forward. You don't take the time to know others like I have. You live in fear, you read and hear so much information and instead of getting experience, you let the powers that be spoon feed you information because that's the easy way out. And you have the gall to lump Muslims in with these terrorists and call them Mohammed's followers is disgusting. Yeah I guess all of the Quran speaks of violence, even though there's verses that specifically mention that force conversion is wrong but I guess you skipped that part and didn't read the history behind these verses. All of us have something to worry about. ISIS is just the beginning. They are a danger and a threat but if you seriously think about it, they are not even close to being the real threat.

 

[Marsh]

You ever met a Muslim in your life?

No, please answer that.

I am on a first name basis with a number of Muslims, and know a few well enough to call them friends. You are making a lot of assumptions about me based strictly on guess work.

I have known good Muslims, ones that cannot stand such acts.

Most Muslims are descent people, but some are not and I have known at least one who is not. He should be deported.

People over in the middle east have been dying, Muslim and non-Muslim alike by ISIS and other terrorist groups. I guess you never saw any of the Muslims that have been fighting and condemning these acts overseas, but I guess they don't count right?

Trust me you don't want most of them here. Just because they fight ISIS doesn't mean they are not deeply conservative and anti-Western.

I'll try to complete this later. Got some other things to do this evening.

 

[freethinker44]

Murderers don't know or respect any laws and terrorists don't follow any religion,
They're fighting and killing Muslims as well, this is a fact.

And of course none of them are true Scotsmen either.

 

[idav]

People act as if if they weren't Muslim, they wouldn't have committed crimes.

Honestly crime and religion are proportional to their population, in OTW more Christians equals more Christian crimes, nothing too extraordinary about it, less atheists and buddhists, less atheists and buddhists crimes.

 

[LuisDantas]

If anything, we are being manipulated into keeping excusing Islam for what it actually teaches and claims.

 

[Theweirdtophat]

If anything, we are being manipulated into keeping excusing Islam for what it actually teaches and claims.

Please read all of this.

"If it had been thy Lord's will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then compel mankind, against their will, to believe?" [The Qur'an 10:99]

Apostasy is a topic that can get confusing, especially since in Islam it's not merely the change of ones religion. In the Qur'an for example, it is stated over and over again that there is no compulsion in religion. You simply are not allowed to make someone believe against their will. (I gave one example above, there are others I can share if anyone is interested)

The topic of rejecting religion after being a believer is also mentioned in the Qur'an, but not once is a worldly punishment prescribed for it. For example one verse states:

"Indeed, those who have believed then disbelieved, then believed, then disbelieved, and then increased in disbelief - never will Allah forgive them, nor will He guide them to a way." [4:137]

As you can see it talks about disbelieving after believing over and over again but it never talks about punishing those people in this life. Actually, if people were killed for merely leaving the religion, how can they believe and disbelieve then believe and disbelieve again? Wouldn't they be already dead?

The confusion actually comes from a number of saying by Muhammad about people committing ridda and that they are to be executed. Thing is these sayings were about people who didn't just leave the religion, but they also joined the other side which was fighting Muslims at the time. (In early Islamic history Muslims were persecuted against by the Arab Pagans) In some of these sayings it becomes more clear that it's not just someone who leaves the religion, but someone who acts against the nation. In short, it's someone committing treason in terms we use today.

So as you can say, if you combine the fact that the Qur'an itself speaks against compulsion in matters of religion, with knowing a bit of history behind these sayings it becomes clear that there is no execution for the mere leaving of Islam.

"There shall be no compulsion in the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing." [2:256]"

Pay the poor-due. 2:43, 110, 277
Be good to parents, relatives, orphans, and the needy. Speak kindly and pay the poor-due. 2:83
If you believe it, prove it. 2:111
The Jews say the Christians are wrong, and vice versa. Yet they both believe in the Scriptures. 2:113
Give of your wealth to family, relatives, and the needy. Set slaves free. 2:177
Do not fight wars of aggression. 2:190
"Do good." 2:195
Spend your money for good: to help your parents, your family, orphans, wayfarers, and the needy. 2:215
Help orphans. 2:220
"Make not Allah, by your oaths, a hindrance to ... making peace among mankind." 2:224
"If the debtor is in straitened circumstances, then (let there be) postponement to (the time of) ease." 2:280
Don't argue about things that you know nothing about. 3:66
Do not be guilty of usury, doubling and quadrpling the sum lent. 3:130
I suffer not the work of any worker, male or female, to be lost. Ye proceed one from another. 3:195
Help orphans and don't steal from them. 4:2, 4:10
Men and women proceed from one another. 4:25
"Kill not one another." 4:29
Be kind to parents, relatives, orphans, the needy, neighbors, and travelers. 4:36
Whoever participates in a good cause, will be rewarded. Whoever participates in an evil cause, will bear the consequences thereof. 4:85
If someone says Hi to you say Hi (or Howdy) back to them. 4:86
It is good to help the poor and make peace. 4:114
Value justice, for both poor and rich, even when it adversely affects you or your family's interests. 4:135
Don't lend money at unfairly high rates of interest. 4:161
"O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion."
Other translations render this "O people of the Book, do not be fanatical in your faith." 4:171
Don't hate other people. Treat everyone fairly. 5:8
Whoever kills a human being, it is as if he had killed all mankind. Whoever saves the life of one, it is as if he had saved the life of all.) 5:32
Pay the poor-due. 5:55
Feed and clothe the needy. Set a slave free. 5:89
Do good to parents, don't kill your children or other living things unnecessarily. 6:151
Don't steal from orphans. Don't cheat or lie. 6:152
Pay the poor-due. 7:156
Be kind and forgiving toward others. 7:199
And if they incline to peace, incline thou also to it. 8:61
Men and women are protecting friends of one another. They enjoin the right and forbid the wrong, and pay the poor-due. 9:71
"We see thee [Noah] but a mortal like us, and we see not that any follow thee save the most abject among us, without reflection. We behold in you no merit above us - nay, we deem you liars." 11:27
"Do not evil in the earth."
Treat people fairly, respect their possessions, and avoid evil. 11:85
Be kind to your relatives. 16:90
Be kind to your parents. Treat them with respect in their old age. 17:23
Help your family, the needy, and wayfarer. Don't selfishly squander your wealth. 17:26
Don't kill your children to avoid falling into poverty. 17:31
Don't steal from orphans. 17:34
Don't follow what you don't know. 17:36
"Speak that which is kindlier." 17:53
"Increase me in knowledge." 20:114
Feed the poor and unfortunate. 22:28
Don't lie. 22:30
Be kind to others, forbid injustice, and pay the poor-due. 22:41
Pay the poor-due. 22:78
Pay the poor-due. 23:4
Repel evil with that which is better. 23:96
Pay the poor-due. 24:37, 24:56
"And such of your slaves as seek a writing (of emancipation), write it for them if ye are aware of aught of good in them, and bestow upon them of the wealth of Allah which He hath bestowed upon you. Force not your slave-girls to whoredom."
Allah encourages you to set your slaves free if they are good enough. And don't pimp out your slave-girls (concubines). 24:33
Repel evil with good. 28:54
Be kind to your parents. 29:8
Men and women should help each other with love an mercy. 30:21
Help your family, the needy, and wayfarers. 30:38
Pay the poor-due. 31:4
"Be modest in thy bearing and subdue thy voice." 31:19
"Speak words straight to the point."
Say what you mean; mean what you say. 33:70
Good and evil are not the same. Repel evil with goodness. That way your enemies will become your friends. 41:34
Be loving and kind to your relatives. 42:23
It is wrong to oppress people. 42:42
Live peacefully with disbelievers. 43:88-89
Be kind to your parents. 46:15
Don't defame, insult, spy on, or backbite one another.. 49:11-12
Give of your wealth to help the poor. 51:19
"A guess can never take the place of the truth." 53:28
Pay the poor-due. 58:13
Pay the poor-due. 73:20
Don't defraud. 83:1-3
Free a slave, feed the hungry, and exhort one another to pity. 90:13-17
Don't oppress orphans or drive away beggars. 93:9-10
Pay the poor-due. That is true religion. 98:5
Let each person believe (or disbelieve) whatever he or she wishes. 109:1, 6

Those are verses from the Quran that people like to overlook.

If you don't like Islam what are you going to do? Stop Islam from existing? You can't destroy it because it's an idea and ideas can't be destroyed. We already know there are good and evil Muslims. We don't need to rehash and do what the powers that be want, which is for us to be divided. Islam is not the enemy. The radicals themselves are not even close to being the real enemy.

 

[FearGod]

And of course none of them are true Scotsmen either.

True Scotsmen fallacy is a stupid comment, not all Atheists are whores and panders.
It's a fact that bad people exists everywhere and they only represent themselves.

Stanford Rapist Accused of Sending Picture of Victim’s Breasts to Friends

Read more: http://rightwingnews.com/crime/stan...icture-victims-breasts-friends/#ixzz4BXNuwd8a

That is one case of a rapist from Stanford, so it's either you accept that all Americans are this person
or he just represent himself, Scotsmen fallacy is always used in a stupid way, sorry to say that but
that how i see it.

 

[FearGod]

If anything, we are being manipulated into keeping excusing Islam for what it actually teaches and claims.

Again and again and again, Islam or even any religion teaches peace, love and doing good deeds, it even forbids
alcohol to avoid harming the others or doing bad deeds or harming oneself.

If you think that one Muslim is a bad person because of Islam then good luck with your brain.

 

[LuisDantas]

As you can see it talks about disbelieving after believing over and over again but it never talks about punishing those people in this life. Actually, if people were killed for merely leaving the religion, how can they believe and disbelieve then believe and disbelieve again? Wouldn't they be already dead?

Are you truly using as your argument the fact that Islam doesn't consistently kill those who leave it?

 

[LuisDantas]

True Scotsmen fallacy is a stupid comment,

Except for applying very well in this case, that is.

not all Atheists are whores and panders.
It's a fact that bad people exists everywhere and they only represent themselves.[/quoite]

Like it or else, Islam has a doctrine - and a very authoritarian one at that - while Atheism does not.

A self-respecting doctrine should better take responsibility for what it teaches. And Islam happens to teach to despise homosexuality and to be aggressive.

 

[LuisDantas]

Again and again and again, Islam or even any religion teaches peace, love and doing good deeds, it even forbids
alcohol to avoid harming the others or doing bad deeds or harming oneself.

If you think that one Muslim is a bad person because of Islam then good luck with your brain.

It will be fine.

 

[JoStories]

Am I seriously the only one noticing this divide and conquer move? This isn't a new trick, this has been done before and millions are falling for it. They are being manipulated into hating each other, so they will be too weak and distracted to know who the real enemy is. You think there's a War on Islam? No. There never was? It doesn't make sense. How can you declare war on an idea, and how can you win it? Makes about as much sense as the war on terror? That can't be won because it's supposed to be not winnable so the wars go on and on, because you're not fighting a country or entity.

You think Muslims are the biggest enemy? Not even close. Some Muslims are already on your side. They want the same things you want, which is peace with their loved ones. Instead focus on the people who manipulated you in the first place.

Of course you are right. As you stated, at one time it was white V Black, etc. I feel that humankind must have something that they see as inferior or as less than themselves in order to feel empowered, and this manifests in the oppression of groups of people deemed as dissimilar to them. At this time, its shifted to the entire Muslim faith, which is clearly erroneous as well as myopic. However, blatant racism continues to plague at least this country insofar as I have seen too many to mention that are openly racist and/or bigoted against various groups.