People are being manipulated into hating Muslims

[Rajina]

If Shariah banking wasn't profitable it wouldn't be an industry, especially in the west.

Islamic banking is growing up in the west because the number of people who adheres to Islamic laws in the west is growing up. In Islam riba(lending or boring money for interest) is prohibited. How can a banking industry be profitable without riba (interest)???????
I am asking this out if curiosity. I don't understand how Islamic banking is profitable for the capitalists.

To be honest it was a bit of a rhetorical question, as we cannot really know for sure. One thing is for certain though, those types of behaviour and lifestyle very much so exist in the muslim world, just like everywhere else.

There is nothing such as a Muslim world or non Muslim world. Muslims are spread throughout the world. When I said 'Muslim' , I didn't mean someone with an Arabic name or someone who has a an ID/passport with the religion column filled as Islam. A Muslim is someone who submits himself/herself to the almighty God. True Muslims obeys the law of God. There are lots of Muslims who prays five times a day, who do not lend or borrow money for interest , who do not drink alcohol, who do not indulge in any extramarital/premarital relationship. And there are lots of Muslim ladies who covers up their body, who do not allow themselves to be commoditized or exploited. And their numbers are increasing day by day.

 

[Theweirdtophat]

Brigitte is really intelligent on the subject matter.

Fact is, I walked into life with absolutely no disdain for Islam. Islam gave me the disdain through:

1) Treating women like garbage
2) Killing gay people
3) Suicide bombers
4) Mass shooting X (as in, I don't know how many there are anymore)

The negative outdoes any possible positive. Call me a bigot, whatever... I no longer care, innocent people are getting murdered for nothing. I'm done with it. It is not on me to change that opinion, it is on the Muslims themselves.

You focus your attention on the wrong people. It is not on the Muslims. Nevermind that some of the worst terrorists we have had on American soil weren't even Muslim, or the fact that not only quite a few Muslims condemn such acts but also fought against it and died over it, even by the hands of other radical Muslims. Islam didn't do anything to you. Those 4 things you mentioned are something radicals do, not actual Muslims who have families and go about their lives.

I know, it sounds like mythology right? Muslims actually have families and most of them want peace with their loved ones? That's unthinkable. I thought every single Muslim, including the children were part of the terrorists or supported terrorism, even though if you added every radical Muslim terrorist organization, they would make up less than 1% of all Muslims. There's a billion and hundreds of millions of them don't go around force converting everyone.

You waste your energy on someone who's not even the real threat. There are so much more things that are far worse and far more dangerous than the worst islamic terrorist groups out there.

 

[Mindmaster]

You focus your attention on the wrong people. It is not on the Muslims. Nevermind that some of the worst terrorists we have had on American soil weren't even Muslim, or the fact that not only quite a few Muslims condemn such acts but also fought against it and died over it, even by the hands of other radical Muslims. Islam didn't do anything to you. Those 4 things you mentioned are something radicals do, not actual Muslims who have families and go about their lives.

I know, it sounds like mythology right? Muslims actually have families and most of them want peace with their loved ones? That's unthinkable. I thought every single Muslim, including the children were part of the terrorists or supported terrorism, even though if you added every radical Muslim terrorist organization, they would make up less than 1% of all Muslims. There's a billion and hundreds of millions of them don't go around force converting everyone.

You waste your energy on someone who's not even the real threat. There are so much more things that are far worse and far more dangerous than the worst islamic terrorist groups out there.

I'm willing to forgive and forget as soon as I see anyone connected turning in the people who are propagating these crimes. It seems that every time you hear of these things X knew this and Y knew that and Z knew for years, etc. It's getting ridiculous to the point where everyone including our government is enabling these acts. Islam offends my sensibilities and it has the choice whether to do that or not, I'm not going to apologize for them.

 

[psychoslice]

Muslims are also manipulated in hating western countries such as the USA.

 

[Sabour]

Regrets

Interestingly, no one gave attention to the fact that she said that according to statistics, 75 % are peaceful muslims. So , is islam what 75 % are practicing? or what 25 % are practicing? (I don't believe the statistics are true in the first place)

 

[Theweirdtophat]

I'm willing to forgive and forget as soon as I see anyone connected turning in the people who are propagating these crimes. It seems that every time you hear of these things X knew this and Y knew that and Z knew for years, etc. It's getting ridiculous to the point where everyone including our government is enabling these acts. Islam offends my sensibilities and it has the choice whether to do that or not, I'm not going to apologize for them.

Islam can't do anything to you. How can it? It's an idea, not a person.

The one's profiting from this are way more dangerous. We should be focusing our attention on them. We are being used and divided. Humanity itself is being torn apart from the powers that be and it's time we all realize that and unite against the threat that's far more dangerous than any other threat we have went against.

 

[Kartari]

Hey Theweirdtophat,

You focus your attention on the wrong people. It is not on the Muslims. Nevermind that some of the worst terrorists we have had on American soil weren't even Muslim, or the fact that not only quite a few Muslims condemn such acts but also fought against it and died over it, even by the hands of other radical Muslims. Islam didn't do anything to you. Those 4 things you mentioned are something radicals do, not actual Muslims who have families and go about their lives.

I know, it sounds like mythology right? Muslims actually have families and most of them want peace with their loved ones? That's unthinkable. I thought every single Muslim, including the children were part of the terrorists or supported terrorism, even though if you added every radical Muslim terrorist organization, they would make up less than 1% of all Muslims. There's a billion and hundreds of millions of them don't go around force converting everyone.

You waste your energy on someone who's not even the real threat. There are so much more things that are far worse and far more dangerous than the worst islamic terrorist groups out there.

While in fairness there is indeed a large contingent of self-called Muslims who are either terrorists or supportive of them (more like approximately 15%, not the 1% you mention), your point stands that most Muslims are nonetheless decidedly not terrorists. Indeed, as I've pointed out earlier, most of the people murdered by ISIS are Muslims, and indeed, there are many armed Muslims actively fighting ISIS in Syria and elsewhere.

 

[LuisDantas]

Interestingly, no one gave attention to the fact that she said that according to statistics, 75 % are peaceful muslims. So , is islam what 75 % are practicing? or what 25 % are practicing? (I don't believe the statistics are true in the first place)

The notion that one must choose the one at the expense of the other is IMO quite misguided.

All the more so once we take into account that the distinction is presented to non-Muslims, not to the people in actual disagreement. In effect, you are asking non-Muslims to pay alone the price for your internal failure of learning better. That is simply too much to ask.

Even more troubling is that the numbers are something of an oversimplification. It is not like there is a sharp division between violent terrorists who unexplainably convinced themselves "wrongly" that they are Muslims and "true", peaceful Muslims. Quite on the contrary actually.

Finally, the argument is not even reassuring when taken at face value. If there are at least three reasonable Muslims for each misguided one, that is all the more reason to wonder how come they end up misguided to such extremes, as well as to fear what might happen if the numbers expand further.

 

[Mindmaster]

Interestingly, no one gave attention to the fact that she said that according to statistics, 75 % are peaceful muslims. So , is islam what 75 % are practicing? or what 25 % are practicing? (I don't believe the statistics are true in the first place)

She was mentioning that the 75% of peaceful actors in the situation basically don't play. Hence the comparisons to Russia, Nazi Germany, etc... She's right, the small group of radicals makes the rules because they are not afraid to use force. Also, there is no way for us in the west to really tell if someone is going to be radical or not. This is why Trump is in favor of all-encompassing bans -- our system needs to be overhauled, and until it is it's not really safe to take anyone.

 

[LuisDantas]

She was mentioning that the 75% of peaceful actors in the situation basically don't play. Hence the comparisons to Russia, Nazi Germany, etc... She's right, the small group of radicals makes the rules because they are not afraid to use force. Also, there is no way for us in the west to really tell if someone is going to be radical or not. This is why Trump is in favor of all-encompassing bans -- our system needs to be overhauled, and until it is it's not really safe to take anyone.

Of course, that is a major, almost unbelievable mistake. In persecuting Muslims without distinction he is furthering the radical's agenda to an enormous degree. And all he gets in exchange is cheap, worthless popularity.

 

[Agondonter]

Interestingly, no one gave attention to the fact that she said that according to statistics, 75 % are peaceful muslims. So , is islam what 75 % are practicing? or what 25 % are practicing? (I don't believe the statistics are true in the first place)

She also said the majority peaceful in her examples were irrelevant. She was right. And what's worse, the hateful minority of Muslims have a history of keeping their word.

 

[Sabour]

The notion that one must choose the one at the expense of the other is IMO quite misguided.

All the more so once we take into account that the distinction is presented to non-Muslims, not to the people in actual disagreement. In effect, you are asking non-Muslims to pay alone the price for your internal failure of learning better. That is simply too much to ask.

Even more troubling is that the numbers are something of an oversimplification. It is not like there is a sharp division between violent terrorists who unexplainably convinced themselves "wrongly" that they are Muslims and "true", peaceful Muslims. Quite on the contrary actually.

Finally, the argument is not even reassuring when taken at face value. If there are at least three reasonable Muslims for each misguided one, that is all the more reason to wonder how come they end up misguided to such extremes, as well as to fear what might happen if the numbers expand further.

In my reply, I was more interested in showing what Islam stands for...

I do agree however that we, as muslims, have some shortage in learning about Islam, and I am not asking non muslims to bear the consequences.

If I had to ask non muslims for anything, I would ask them to stop pointing their fingers towards Islam and mistreating some peaceful muslims and making their life miserable. I would call non muslims to take a look about what Islam is, rather than attributing anything that a muslim does to Islam.

 

[Sabour]

She was mentioning that the 75% of peaceful actors in the situation basically don't play. Hence the comparisons to Russia, Nazi Germany, etc... She's right, the small group of radicals makes the rules because they are not afraid to use force. Also, there is no way for us in the west to really tell if someone is going to be radical or not. This is why Trump is in favor of all-encompassing bans -- our system needs to be overhauled, and until it is it's not really safe to take anyone.

The main behind my post was showing that Islam doesn't teach what 25 % of muslims are reported to be doing ....

 

[LuisDantas]

I fear that boat may be about to sail already. Things have been escalating way too often, way too much.

 

[Sabour]

She also said the majority peaceful in her examples were irrelevant. She was right. And what's worse, the hateful minority of Muslims have a history of keeping their word.

It is irrelevant security wise.

Religion wise, and Islam wise, it is relevant. If 75 % of muslims are peaceful, this means that Islam is not what it is claimed to be and that the 25 % are the ones that are not following the true teachings.

I don't subscribe to the logic of looking at what muslims are doing and judging Islam based on it in the first place. However, since this seems to be the trend, I am applying this logic also.

 

[Mindmaster]

It is irrelevant security wise.

Religion wise, and Islam wise, it is relevant. If 75 % of muslims are peaceful, this means that Islam is not what it is claimed to be and that the 25 % are the ones that are not following the true teachings.

I don't subscribe to the logic of looking at what muslims are doing and judging Islam based on it in the first place. However, since this seems to be the trend, I am applying this logic also.

I'm with you on this, and I know what you mean. But, it doesn't amount to acceptable risks -- if 20% is the problem or even say if it was 10% or 5% is it worth the risk when the bomb goes off and one person kills one-hundred or more? 19 people killed 3,000 on 9/11. It doesn't take much. I think it's foolish to ignore that it takes a small troubling element to make so much pain and suffering. 20% of Islam is the entire population of the USA, 10% of Islam is all the men in the USA, you see how these numbers work? It's a lot, even though it is a little for you. This is a lot of combatants, and more than we even have who could fight. Banning them is the peaceful resolution -- we don't have to kill people, and they will be kept from killing us.

We have no ability to tell who the problem is, and that can only come from within the Muslim community itself. We need your help, or we have to save ourselves in such ways.

 

[Agondonter]

It is irrelevant security wise.

Religion wise, and Islam wise, it is relevant. If 75 % of muslims are peaceful, this means that Islam is not what it is claimed to be and that the 25 % are the ones that are not following the true teachings.

I don't subscribe to the logic of looking at what muslims are doing and judging Islam based on it in the first place. However, since this seems to be the trend, I am applying this logic also.

The 25% ARE following the true teachings. The terrorists are following the "prophet's" example.

 

[Sabour]

I'm with you on this, and I know what you mean. But, it doesn't amount to acceptable risks -- if 20% is the problem or even say if it was 10% or 5% is it worth the risk when the bomb goes off and one person kills one-hundred or more? 19 people killed 3,000 on 9/11. It doesn't take much. I think it's foolish to ignore that it takes a small troubling element to make so much pain and suffering. 20% of Islam is the entire population of the USA, 10% of Islam is all the men in the USA, you see how these numbers work? It's a lot, even though it is a little for you. This is a lot of combatants, and more than we even have who could fight. Banning them is the peaceful resolution -- we don't have to kill people, and they will be kept from killing us.

We have no ability to tell who the problem is, and that can only come from within the Muslim community itself. We need your help, or we have to save ourselves in such ways.

I don't believe in the same story of 9/11 as you do, but let us put this aside.

I do agree with you that it would take a minority to cause a mass destruction. That is true. However, the failure I see is in seeing where the real problem is.

Talking about countries and nations isn't the same as talking about a religion. A country usually has a policy, a target which it tries to achieve. If it had a target of destroying X, it is irrelevant if majority of the nation agrees with it or not. You will have to combat it because the objective is clear. This is politics. However, Islam isn't politics. It is a way of life which some muslims, spread around the world follow. Islam says something, that supposedly all the muslims should be following. However, there seem to be a difference of opinion to what Islam is because of the existence of peaceful muslims and violent muslims. If we want to have a say on the subject, it is our duty to take a look to where does this discrepancy stem from.


In that sense, I say majority of muslims is not irrelevant. That is because the majority of muslims are not forced to follow the opinion of the minority as in politics.

The point I wanted to make is that the motivation of such acts aren't islam in the first place. The same person would do the same thing no matter what his religion is because these are his motives. After all, the problem is not muslims, it is the desires of people generally.

You know muslims are also being killed in some parts of the world but no one seems to care in the first place

 

[Sabour]

The 25% ARE following the true teachings. The terrorists are following the "prophet's" example.

Not one bit.

 

[Theweirdtophat]

The 25% ARE following the true teachings. The terrorists are following the "prophet's" example.

Where did people even get 25% anyway. Add up all the Islamic terrorists and they'd be make up less than 1%. There aren't that many people in Al Queda, ISIS or Boko Harram. And of course lunatics are going to claim they follow the "true" teachings. Doesn't mean they actually are following the true teachings. Because they aren't. If you see a fanatic claiming to follow the truth path, is anyone seriously going to listen to them?