I agree with you as well but I also believe that there are camps of people who use this 'divide' as a literal us V them mindset. Look at what Trump has done to divide people on the issue of immigrants, who are largely Latino or Muslim. I do believe this is largely fueled by the media though. The media puts a 'spin' on various items that can and often has led people to believe what the media wants. The simple human nature you mention has also been seen throughout history as some groups trying to subvert other groups; a serf V Lord of the manor kind of thing.
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People are being manipulated into hating Muslims
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FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
The Torah (first five books of the Hebrew Bible) is the primary source for Jewish views on homosexuality. It states that: "[A man] shall not lie with another man as [he would] with a woman, it is a תועבה toeba ("abomination")" (Leviticus 18:22). (Like many similar commandments, the stated punishment for willful violation is the death penalty, although in practice rabbinic Judaism no longer believes it has the authority to implement death penalties.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_religion
So most religious people are taught to be aggressive and to despise homosexuals, Atheism got no religion
and they promote for prostitution, homosexuality, drugs and alcohol which is the opposite of what religion
forbids.
Islam is very explicit about homosexuals, they're treated as sinners and not murderers, no one have the right
to kill a homosexual for being a homosexual or to kill a drunker, then how Islam is the cause if it doesn't teach
to kill the innocents.
Islam doesn't, some Muslims do; the no compulsion in religion verse, remember? Not to mention Islam is an ideology, not a person.
More accurately, most people of today are aligned to some extent with a very few (mostly Abrahamic) traditions that at one point taught homophoby.
Quite a few of them were honest and courageous enough to learn better since, even if at times in defiance with their scriptures and their own religious teachers - which only furthers the merits of their religious realization.
People should never be afraid, lest of all ashamed, of attaining greater moral prowess. And overcoming homophoby is very much such an attainment, while sticking to the dead letter of scripture definitely is not.
It depends on what you mean exactly. Atheism is definitely no impediment or hindrance for religion.
Quite frankly, it is actually a boon for it.
Then again, I don't think your conception of religion is on good speaking terms with mine.
Atheism does not promote anything, not even itself. Its presence does however open the way for dissolving homophoby, something that I find very auspicious indeed.
I happen to be a teetotaller with a deep disgust for drug culture (prostitution is a somewhat more complex matter, although I do share concerns about it).
Still, if you think of forbiddance of all things as a main role for religion, I feel sorry for you. There is so much more to religion and life itself than just fear and avoidance!
Considering how many Muslims exist, that is very much a good thing.
Not nearly enough, but still a good thing.
Explicit is a good word to use here, indeed.
Once you brand people as sinners for simply being who they are, the jump towards despisal and then "righteous" aggression is way too easy to make. Islam really owes it to itself to overcome that serious flaw.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Would you blame the "gun" if misused?
A boon for it !, in what sense ?
What is yours? Atheists believe in no religion.
How it dissolves homophobia ? in which way ?
No need for the laws, you're absolutely right
.Not all sinners treated equally, free world without laws isn't a perfect world but a hell.
Murderers are kind of sinners that should be aggressively punished and not left alone for their own desires.
Your kind of world can be good in the jungle, Animals are free and no one will ask them what they do.
Does the gun order people to copy it and spread it around?
Atheism encourages religion to focus on relevant matters instead of matters of dubious existence and significance.
[quoite]What is yours? Atheists believe in no religion.[/quote]
That is factually untrue. Religion is much bigger than theistic belief, and by no means reliant on it except when it chooses to.
As you pointed out yourself just a few posts ago, there are scriptural verses that promote despisal of homosexuality.
Challenging the supposedly divine authority of those teachings is an auspicious and necessary step of keeping religion healthy and relevant.
Laws may or may not be needed... but taking as the best of all possible worlds one where people consistently need laws in order to avoid vice and moral decadence is, frankly, selling oneself and existence proper rather short.No need for the laws, you're absolutely right
People can learn better. People can learn wisdom and express it. And most alternatives to law as a stopgap for immorality are so much better, healthier, more complete and wiser than law that it is surprising that people don't always realize that.
Religion, when properly actualized and expressed, should have a hard time even remembering whether it has a place for any laws. The two concepts are simply not a natural or very good match.
As I said, your conception of religion seems to be practically a stranger to mine.
And more publicity, in media, social media, and the throne of public opinion, blows that all out of proportion.
As long as you feel safe with it. A coworker is open atheism, manages fine even umongst unlike opinions(a lot of Christians). If you go into a prison system there race and religion is proportional to the population outside.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
The gun is an inanimate and the book is an inanimate, but the person using it is conscious.
We don't need atheism to tell us what to do.
You can think so.
That doesn't mean killing them, if you think that they blindly follow the holy book then it doesn't say kill the homosexuals.
Teaching isn't enough, if murderers are wise then they should learnt from the school of atheism that wisdom should stop them of doing
bad deeds such as killing an innocent for a worldly matters.
Free world without laws can't be a model for a qualitative Society regardless of wisdom and teachings.
Laws should control and manage us otherwise we should choose the law of the jungle, the animal way of life.
Your religion, your way of life.
If you're living in a society that matches yours then you'll be more than happy, i understand your position..
Whomsoever God desires to guide, He expands his breast to Islam; whomsoever He desires to lead astray, He makes his breast narrow, tight, as if he were climbing to heaven. So God lays abomination upon those who believe not.(6:125)
Oh I was gonna say, being able to be an open atheist is typically not the norm that I see, what do you see?
There are no "schools of atheism". Atheism is just a tiny thing, quite unable of sustaining a whole school.
There are lines of thought that accept, encourage or even demand atheism, but that is something else entirely.
There are lines of thought that accept, encourage or even demand atheism, but that is something else entirely.
What should normal citizens not trying to defend a small nation be able to buy if they have say billions of dollars. Should missle launchers be ok, I mean that sounds awesome if I have a gazillion dollars, they'll register it I'm sure and brag about iit!!?
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
I didn't get your point, can you pls rephrase it.
Should a household be able to purchase enough ammo that they can defend a small nation?
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
How that is related to my replies?
I see just people. Religion isn't overt here.
Aquitaine
Well-Known Member
If Shariah banking wasn't profitable it wouldn't be an industry, especially in the west.
To be honest it was a bit of a rhetorical question, as we cannot really know for sure. One thing is for certain though, those types of behaviour and lifestyle very much so exist in the muslim world, just like everywhere else.
Fair enough, though an ideology can make any restrictions against what is seen as unethical behaviour. . . though that doesn't mean they are adhered to: for example Communism claimed to contain no "exploitation" but we all know how that turned out.
Theweirdtophat
Well-Known Member
I don't think its just divide and conquer rule. I think its a big plan against Islam. One reason is that the growth of Islam is a threat for the corporates. Threat in the sense:-
- Islam is AGAINST MODERN BANKING SYSTEM.
- against alcohol industry
- against commoditization of women
- against exploitation of women
- against porn and sex industry
'Against' in the sense majority of Muslims do not support or actively participate in any of the above.
Since the big businesses of the big corporates requires all of the above, the growth of Islam is a real threat for their business.
Another reason is that the New world order can make its least effect on Muslims. Because it works by changing the views and lifestyle of people according to what they plan. The lifestyle and views of Muslims cannot be changed to a large extend because Islam itself is a lifestyle and a view of life.
I think spreading hatred against Islam and killing Muslims around the world is a part of their plan to put an end to Islam. However 'They plans and Allah plans, His plan is better than their plan'.
I see it is a war against all of us. Islam is part of it. So is a lot of other religions. Places are becoming less religious. When a big government, like USSR wants to suppress any kind of religion or faith, the people will end up being loyal to their state instead of their families and gods. They will see the state as their new deity.
Big governments don't want you to have faith, they want you to be confused, wrapped in ignorance and fear and have each other hate one another so we will be too distracted and weak to know who the real enemy is. There are enemies far worse out there, even more so than these radicals. They are just grocery clerks, not managers.
Agondonter
Active Member
Regrets
Brigitte is really intelligent on the subject matter.
Fact is, I walked into life with absolutely no disdain for Islam. Islam gave me the disdain through:
1) Treating women like garbage
2) Killing gay people
3) Suicide bombers
4) Mass shooting X (as in, I don't know how many there are anymore)
The negative outdoes any possible positive. Call me a bigot, whatever... I no longer care, innocent people are getting murdered for nothing. I'm done with it. It is not on me to change that opinion, it is on the Muslims themselves.