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A war between Jews and Muslims in the end times and the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ, it
tells about future events and it has nothing to do with the message of Islam.
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People are being manipulated into hating Muslims
- Thread starter Theweirdtophat
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A war between Jews and Muslims in the end times and the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ, it
tells about future events and it has nothing to do with the message of Islam.
blue taylor
Active Member
Still books of fiction.
Marsh
Active Member
It seems Luis we've finally found something we are of like minds on.
I get it (what I made bold) in your post.
However when have Evangelical Christians ever committed mass murder of NON
Evangelical Christians?
What is your point by mentioning either Christian groups in light of the radical muslim
inspired murders in Florida?
Most likely other Christian denominations think other Christian denominations not
true Christians.
Just ask any Jehovah's Witness if ALL other faiths aren't the agents of Satan.
There are other Christian sects and denominations that think that of J.W.'s.
and Baptists and Pentecostals and............................................
But I can't recall one time when a fundamentalist anything mass murdered J.W.'s or
Pentecostals or....................................
The Christian religion, specially the N.T. does NOT preach murder in the name
of Jehovah for ANY reason.
Ego why I feel Islam is basically flawed.
Not wrong, but flawed.
Last stats indicate there are: As of October 2009, there are about 1.57 billion Muslims of all ages living in the world today.
I've read that only 15% support murdering non muslims in the name of Allah for world
conquest of the earth.
What is 15% of 1.57 BILLION?
Really? What is that number?
Is that 2.355 million that want non muslims dead?
Comforting what?
Pew Report: 1/3 of US Muslims Support Al Qaeda, Suicide Bombs
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/41425/pew-report-1/3-of-us-muslims-support-al-qaeda
I'm not preaching against Islam but against radical Islam.
There is a LOT of support for radical Islam in the Islamic world.
Sabour
Well-Known Member
(seeking world domination of Islam) can be interpreted in various ways.
Sabour
Well-Known Member
I will trust my knowledge and my ability to differentiate between what is "good" and what is "bad" rather than reading the article which could be written with a hidden agenda or a bias.
However, I don't mind discussing the content and what lead to that belief if you would like.
Sabour
Well-Known Member
That is simply not true.
What is simply not true?
Is this statement your opinion?
You cite nothing to show it isn't true leaving the reader so speculate if this is
just your opinion.
To quote you.
"Major problem is that people think that the truth is that which suits their desires and concepts."
Self prophecy fulfilled.
"Let's face it, using firearms and bombs as those jihad-minded Muslims did in the city of Paris on November 13, 2015 can make a greater "slaughter among them " then a sword can."
From Quran.
47:4. "Whenever you encounter the unbelievers strike off their heads until you make a great slaughter among them..."
http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2016/06/do-you-know-why-isis-kills-people-in.html
Please cite sources else your posts are mere opinions.
I seldom post mere opinions of mine but RESEARCH cite and post with sources thus
taking mere opinion out of the equation.
Sometimes I might post an opinion. That would be a post without a citation.
My opinion of Islam believers that commit atrocities is.....................................
Use your imagination but no need to post what you simply imagine.
That would be as useless for debate as a mere opinion.
About the political move to ban or confiscate firearms for what radical Islamics have
done underscored by Obama:
Does he plan on confiscating our pressure cookers? What about fertilizer or cutlery or jetliners? Would that make us safer?
All the above have been used by believers of Islam to commit atrocities against
innocent non believers.
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Rajina
Member
So you understand that the Islamic banking is not profitable to the capitalists. And you understand that there are people who practice Islamic laws (who do not lend or borrow money for interest, who do not drink alcohol, who not engage in extra marital relationships etc). And yes, there are people who do not practice Islamic laws. The number people who practice Islamic laws is increasing day by day. You also understand that Islamic banking is growing up in the west. The growth of Islamic banking and the increase in number of people practicing Islam creates big loss for the corporates. They have an alarming need to put an end to this. They create false flag attacks, they created terrorist groups in the name of Islam, they are killing thousands of Muslims every year and they use war against terrorism as a justification for their mass murder, and they spread hatred against Islam using the mainstream media that they own. Is this so difficult to understand?
02:191
YUSUF ALI: And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.
^^^ From Quraan. (there are many spellings of Quiran.)
This topic is about the murders in Miami.
In all fairness there are MANY verses in Koran that preach PEACE!
However the Miami muslims must not have read those verses.
Evidently the terrorist K.K.K. members must not read the entire Christian Bible
either.
I am, for all intents and purposes a pacifist.
Until my loved ones or I am threatened.
Then.............................
Cry, Havoc, and let slip the dogs of war!
Well I'm not quite that radical.
YUSUF ALI: And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.
^^^ From Quraan. (there are many spellings of Quiran.)
This topic is about the murders in Miami.
In all fairness there are MANY verses in Koran that preach PEACE!
However the Miami muslims must not have read those verses.
Evidently the terrorist K.K.K. members must not read the entire Christian Bible
either.
I am, for all intents and purposes a pacifist.
Until my loved ones or I am threatened.
Then.............................
Cry, Havoc, and let slip the dogs of war!
Well I'm not quite that radical.
Sabour
Well-Known Member
Relax, you already provided your opinion without putting any reference in your previous reply on the thread.
You quoted the verse 47:4 out of context
You said: 47:4. "Whenever you encounter the unbelievers strike off their heads until you make a great slaughter among them..."
It is 47:4
So when you meet those who disbelieve [in battle], strike [their] necks until, when you have inflicted slaughter upon them, then secure their bonds, and either [confer] favor afterwards or ransom [them] until the war lays down its burdens. That [is the command]. And if Allah had willed, He could have taken vengeance upon them [Himself], but [He ordered armed struggle] to test some of you by means of others. And those who are killed in the cause of Allah - never will He waste their deeds.
The parts I highlighted in red are what I wanted to focus on.
The verse clearly talks about the condition of a war. As for starting a war or a combat, the conditions are clarified in other verses.
Islam is a system of life which tells you how you are supposed to live your life. So it provides answers or a pattern of thinking/response to every single situation you would face. If verses were removed, it will cease to be perfect and it would open people to retaliate the way they want and not the way God wants them too. Since Islam is a complete way of life it is normal to find verses where it tells you how to react when you are facing a war because regardless of whether we like that or not, it is part of life. Let us take a look at these verses to see what tare some conditions for entering a war.
2:190 Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.
2:191 And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.
2:192 And if they cease, then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
2:193
Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah and [until] worship is [acknowledged to be] for Allah . But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors.
2:194
[Fighting in] the sacred month is for [aggression committed in] the sacred month, and for [all] violations is legal retribution. So whoever has assaulted you, then assault him in the same way that he has assaulted you. And fear Allah and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.
If you look at the conditions to fight those than you will find,
1- They are the ones who started the fight.
2- They transgressed,.
3- Third they are the ones who expelled you out of your home.
4- regardless of all that, if they stopped, you have to stop too.
I don't think there exist anyone who has these ethics when it comes to war. And of course, when you want to search the internet to find opinions about the Quraan, from the verses I quoted you will only find the phrase "kill them wherever you overtake" with some points before it and after it. It will be Quraan says" ...................... Kill them wherever you overtake ............."
As if the whole context doesn't matter.
And 109 verses talking about combating out of 6200 approximately is not a huge number. It is only when one says there are 109 verses without mentioning the whole number of verses.
But the number doesn't really matter when the context is clear.
As a tip, I would recommend anyone that wants to interpret a verse, to read 5 to 7 verses before and 5 to 7 verses after. Its very often that they are related.
Aquitane:
You used the word kaffir:
It means.
Kaffir (racial term) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You used the word kaffir:
It means.
Kaffir (racial term) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaffir_(racial_term)
The word kaffir is a term used in South Africa to refer to a black person. Now widely considered an offensive ethnic slur, it was formerly considered by whites to be ...
I can't speak for Aquitaine, but I suspect he (she?) is asking how Islamic banking works.
It is obviously considerably different from what we are used, but how so? It is my understanding that it does not charge interests over money, is that correct?
I want to understand that better as well.
All of those are positive traits, worth of diffusion and further spread. But they are not what is causing any trouble, far as I can see.
If you say so. Truth is, I am not aware of any signs of that.
This I would need a lot more evidence for.
I did.
Most verses in most holy books are related.
About Koran:
Muslims believe the Quran was verbally revealed by God to Muhammad through the angel Gabriel (Jibril),[4][5] gradually over a period of approximately 23 years, beginning on 22 December 609CE,[6] when Muhammad was 40, and concluding in 632, the year of his death.[1][7][8] Muslims regard the Quran as the most important miracle of Muhammad, a proof of his prophethood,[9] and the culmination of a series of divine messages that started with the messages revealed to Adam and ended with Muhammad. The word "Quran" occurs some 70 times in the text of the Quran, although different names and words are also said to be references to the Quran.[10]
One wonders how Muhammad remembered all those verses accurately after being
"verbally" revealed?
I wonder the same about the Christian Scriptures.
Sabour
Well-Known Member
Since you quoted nothing from my response except this, I would take it as a positive feedback.
The revelation was over a long period, 23 years to be precise. Each time a verse was revealed, Muhammad peace be upon him used to call a person (forgot his name) to write down the verse.
Also, go to a masjid and ask how many person do they know have memorized the whole Quraan ( 600 pages)
I know about 10 people. ( that is a few number)
That, I am fairly certain, is actually a derivate meaning (Africa has a lot of Muslim cultural influence).
"Kaffir" in Islamic contexts is s a word whose meaning I have been told conflicting accounts of. To the best of my understanding it oscillates between "liar" (about the existence of God) and "unbeliever". It seems to always carry at least some derogative colors.
Apparently it is difficult to agree on what it means exactly because Islamic teachings are so insistent in that all people are born Muslims and therefore believers, so it takes some interpretation to decide whether our supposed failure to keep the faith is a character flaw or just a lack of good fortune. We are only kaffirs once it has been established that we did have a fair chance of "reverting".
No, it does not make a lot of sense, but it seems to be what almost two billion people believe to be true, at least implicitly.
Abrahamic Faiths never fail to surprise me with their hubris.
Theweirdtophat
Well-Known Member
I am into the truth. I am not going to pretend that every single conspiracy theory is right. Because that's not true. There are a few that are exaggerated or flat out made up but there are a LOT of them that are true. More than you think. but people nowadays have been bred to think that anything related to conspiracies mean you are nuts. They are the ones that did that. They want you to think all conspiracy theorists are nuts and can't be trusted. And you're falling for it.
Sometimes a false flag is a false flag.
Does nobody notice this? Am I the only one who sees the patterns? It never occurred to anyone that it's very strange that every single time a mass shooting happens, the politicians jump in and want to make a proclamation ban guns from every American, or at least restrict them greatly. It never occurred to anyone that they are using these false flags and shootings as an excuse to disarm you? And we all know what happens when a big government demands that you give up your guns. Not too many totalitarian states that allow weapons. Oh they want to get rid of your weapons, but they themselves have guards that are armed to the teeth.
So on top of trying to get people divided with whites and blacks, Muslims and non-Muslims, ect, they are also trying to disarm you so that you will be confused, distracted and too weak to fight back
Personally, I find it weird that gun mania is so resilient in the USA despite all signs pointing out to the need to challenge it fiercely.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Spiffy. The only problem with this is that conspiracy theroists are generally a few sandwhiches shy of a picnic and can only be trusted to spew more meaningless drivel. 99% have zero credibility.
Okie dokie.
And what happens every time the politicians do begin seriously talking about this? The talks go nowhere. So much for that conspiracy.
I'm not distracted. I am very far from confused and trust me when I say I am more than able to fight back if it came to that.
Of course the Commie, panty wetting, liberals want to disarm the populace
so we can be enslaved to the masters.
What? You think they might be trying to save lives?
Why the nerve........................
Of course they are trying to save lives by the liberal political agenda and are
probably very sincere.
I just don't think banning guns will do anything but disarm those of us gun owner
who would obey the law.
Criminals don't obey any laws now thus they are criminals.
Think guns can't be smuggled in quite easily to the criminals that are already,
well, criminals.
How many TONS of illegal narcotics are smuggle in to this country now?
U.S. Customs and Border Protection Made Over 56,000 Illegal Drug Seizures, Nearly 2.2 Million Pounds, in FY2004
A small fraction of what made it into the U.S.
Then there was the Volstead Act that introduced Prohibition.
http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1086.html
Alcohol was easy to get everywhere and truck loads were brought in from
Canada and made here in the U.S.
All that did was make criminals rich.
New York City has arguably the toughest gun control in the nation yet leads
many in violent gun crime.
the running totals for shooting incidents over 28-day periods have shown increases of as high as 30 percent, according to the police statistics.
^^^ recent history available on the net.
Firearms restrictions in Ireland are tough.
In Ireland, the right to private gun ownership is not guaranteed by law.
Yet the R.I.A. succeeded in getting guns from all over the globe illegally.
And the gun is always a hot political issue.
Shouldn't it be the people that commit crimes with guns be the real issue?
so we can be enslaved to the masters.
What? You think they might be trying to save lives?
Why the nerve........................
Of course they are trying to save lives by the liberal political agenda and are
probably very sincere.
I just don't think banning guns will do anything but disarm those of us gun owner
who would obey the law.
Criminals don't obey any laws now thus they are criminals.
Think guns can't be smuggled in quite easily to the criminals that are already,
well, criminals.
How many TONS of illegal narcotics are smuggle in to this country now?
U.S. Customs and Border Protection Made Over 56,000 Illegal Drug Seizures, Nearly 2.2 Million Pounds, in FY2004
A small fraction of what made it into the U.S.
Then there was the Volstead Act that introduced Prohibition.
http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1086.html
Alcohol was easy to get everywhere and truck loads were brought in from
Canada and made here in the U.S.
All that did was make criminals rich.
New York City has arguably the toughest gun control in the nation yet leads
many in violent gun crime.
the running totals for shooting incidents over 28-day periods have shown increases of as high as 30 percent, according to the police statistics.
^^^ recent history available on the net.
Firearms restrictions in Ireland are tough.
In Ireland, the right to private gun ownership is not guaranteed by law.
Yet the R.I.A. succeeded in getting guns from all over the globe illegally.
And the gun is always a hot political issue.
Shouldn't it be the people that commit crimes with guns be the real issue?