People don't seem to understand faith

[1137]

Sorry, I have to jump in. Faith, employed religiously, is really nothing more than postdicting invisible causes. With emotional attachment. That's what makes it a doozy.

That's too big a claim, it depends on the religion.

 

[FunctionalAtheist]

I accept the existence of objective reality on faith. I have absolute trust in it despite the philosophical shortcomings. 2+2=4 fits in this, I have no need to doubt it because if we assume objective reality exists then 2+2 will always be 4. However, my friend will not always respond to a text. Based on experience and evidence I have faith he will, I believe he will, but I don't know it.
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You're almost there. I wouldn't be surprised if you manage to say what you mean before your next 4 or 5 posts. It even sounds like you might be able to reconcile your stated definition of faith with your use of the word with a little more effort. Keep at it, I'm sure you'll get there. Best wishes.

 

[outhouse]

You have faith that if you text you best friend in a time of need they'll respond. You have faith that you'll survive another day every time you make plans. .

Unfortunately, that is not how religious faith is defined.

It is also out of context for faith.


Hope and faith are not the same. Yet by your perverted definition of faith, faith now means hope.


I expect better out of you.

 

[1137]

Unfortunately, that is not how religious faith is defined.

It is also out of context for faith.


Hope and faith are not the same. Yet by your perverted definition of faith, faith now means hope.


I expect better out of you.

First definition not based on bible = perverted? Hahaha, you guys don't even see the irony.

 

[Bunyip]

First definition not based on bible = perverted? Hahaha, you guys don't even see the irony.

LOL Irony is when a person on a religious forum, posting in the sub forum 'Religious debates' a topic that discusses atheism and faith can not grasp why the definition of faith in the context of religion is relevant.

 

[1137]

LOL Irony is when a person on a religious forum, posting in the sub forum 'Religious debates' a topic that discusses atheism and faith can not grasp why the definition of faith in the context of religion is relevant.

It's relevant I suppose, just a reach. You fundies just pick the definition easiest to abuse, it's like a commandment of militant atheism. The definition of faith is... oh wait, I've said it like 5 times. You can lead a fundamentalist to facts but can't make them accept I guess.

 

[029b10]

What's so wrong about faith?

Everyone believes, even those who believe I am wrong when I say everyone believes. Some believe that Moses threw a rod down before Pharoah's feet and it turned into a serpent. However, not all faith.

They would believe all things: Mark 9:23
Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.

They would search and make inquiry. Deut 13:14
Then shalt thou inquire, and make search, and ask diligently;

They would examine all things. 1 Cor 2:13
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

They would test all things. 1 John 4:1
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

They would prove all things. 1 Thess 5:21
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

 

[Skwim]

Sadly I do understand faith. The problem has numerous causes however. For example, people say faith lacks evidence. You have faith that if you text you best friend in a time of need they'll respond. You have faith that you'll survive another day every time you make plans. These are not unfounded at all. "Fideism" is the rejection of evidence in favor of faith, pure faith, with no care to evidence. Faith is stuck somewhere in between.

"Sadly I do understand belief. The problem has numerous causes however. For example, people say belief lacks evidence. You have belief that if you text you best friend in a time of need they'll respond. You have belief that you'll survive another day every time you make plans. These are not unfounded at all."
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Hmm. Seems the two terms here are pretty interchangeable. How do you differentiate between belief and faith?

 

[Bunyip]

It's relevant I suppose, just a reach. You fundies just pick the definition easiest to abuse, it's like a commandment of militant atheism. The definition of faith is... oh wait, I've said it like 5 times. You can lead a fundamentalist to facts but can't make them accept I guess.

Fundie? What are you smoking? Faith has a specific definition in the c8ntext here - you still don't seem to get itl

 

[1137]

"Sadly I do understand belief. The problem has numerous causes however. For example, people say belief lacks evidence. You have belief that if you text you best friend in a time of need they'll respond. You have belief that you'll survive another day every time you make plans. These are not unfounded at all."
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Hmm. Seems the two terms here are pretty interchangeable. How do you differentiate between belief and faith?

They're synonyms.

 

[outhouse]

First definition not based on bible = perverted? Hahaha, you guys don't even see the irony.

Yet you ignore that you describe hope, not faith

 

[1137]

Yet you ignore that you describe hope, not faith

Hope
a feeling of expectation and desire for a certain thing to happen

They're pretty similar, however hope is simply desire whereas faith is deep trust. If you go to a website called Google and search "define ______" it will give you definitions.

 

[Bunyip]

Hope
a feeling of expectation and desire for a certain thing to happen

They're pretty similar, however how is simply desire whereas faith is deep trust. If you go to a website called Google and search "define ______" it will give you definitions.

And the definition it will give you for faith in the context here is 'belief without evidence', a simple fact you are unable to grapple with.

 

[1137]

And the definition it will give you for faith in the context here is 'belief without evidence', a simple fact you are unable to grapple with.

The secondary definition based on scripture does, yes. For the last time, I do not adhere to scripture or secondary definitions provided by one holy text which cannot apply to all situations. You want to base all philosophy off Christian scripture, go for it. Christ be with you in all the glorious irony.

 

[Bunyip]

The secondary definition based on scripture does, yes. For the last time, I do not adhere to scripture or secondary definitions proved by one holy text which cannot apply to all situations.

Yes buddy, I get that. The point is that other people are not making a mistake when THEY use that definition. It is the correct definition in this context, whether you adhere to it or not.

That you choose not to apply it, does not make it wrong for others to. That you chose not to use that definition does not mean that people who do fail to understand what 'faith' means.

Why not just use the word 'trust' instead? Given that is equivalent to your definition of faith - it would solve all the confusion.

 

[1137]

Yes buddy, I get that. The point is that other people are not making a mistake when THEY use that definition. It is the correct definition in this context, whether you adhere to it or not.

That you choose not to apply it, does not make it wrong for others to. That you chose not to use that definition does not mean that people who do fail to understand what 'faith' means.

Why not just use the word 'trust' instead? Given that is equivalent to your definition of faith - it would solve all the confusion.

Hahahaha, the irony.

 

[Warbird]

Science adjusts it's beliefs based on what's observed
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved.
- Tim Minchin / Storm

I personally loved this description for faith.

 

[Awkward Fingers]

They're synonyms.

Holy crap!!! Dude calm down!
No reason to fly off the handle like that.
Lets not devolve into beastly attacks here!!
Lets try to control all that raging and ranting.

: p

 

[1137]

Science adjusts it's beliefs based on what's observed
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved.
- Tim Minchin / Storm

I personally loved this description for faith.

Too bad that's Fideism, not faith :-(

Holy crap!!! Dude calm down!
No reason to fly off the handle like that.
Lets not devolve into beastly attacks here!!
Lets try to control all that raging and ranting.

: p

Hahaha, I better pop a Valium before I pop a vein in head

 

[Skwim]

They're synonyms.

I believe it will snow tomorrow

I have faith it will snow tomorrow.
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I believe Sherry Writeson wrote “I smile because you are my father,I laugh because there ain’t a damn thing you can do about it.”

I have faith that Sherry Writeson wrote, "I smile because you are my father,I laugh because there ain’t a damn thing you can do about it.”
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I believe that

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I have faith that

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What do you believe about faith?

What is your faith concerning belief?

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Synonyms? Hardly! :slap: