"People who have faith . . . are not as smart as others"

[allright]

A quote from a "lesser" intelligence

"There is a harmony in the cosmos which I ,with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, yet there are people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is they quote me to support their views."

Albert Einstein

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

A quote from a "lesser" intelligence

"There is a harmony in the cosmos which I ,with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, yet there are people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is they quote me to support their views."

Albert Einstein

When you pick up on his irony, get back to me.

 

[Walter Russell]

"Conflict between science, religion lies in our brains

Clashes between the use of faith vs. scientific evidence to explain the world around us dates back centuries and is perhaps most visible today in the arguments between evolution and creationism.

To believe in a supernatural god or universal spirit, people appear to suppress the brain network used for analytical thinking and engage the empathetic network, the scientists say. When thinking analytically about the physical world, people appear to do the opposite.

"When there's a question of faith, from the analytic point of view, it may seem absurd," said Tony Jack, who led the research. "But, from what we understand about the brain, the leap of faith to belief in the supernatural amounts to pushing aside the critical/analytical way of thinking to help us achieve greater social and emotional insight."

"A stream of research in cognitive psychology has shown and claims that people who have faith (i.e., are religious or spiritual) are not as smart as others. They actually might claim they are less intelligent.," said Richard Boyatzis, distinguished university professor and professor of organizational behavior at Case Western Reserve, and a member of Jack's team.

"Our studies confirmed that statistical relationship, but at the same time showed that people with faith are more prosocial and empathic," he said."
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I find this very surprising. I've always attributed the refusal of the faithful to consider the significance of science in explaining the world, to their need to hold fast to the security of religion. Not that it's an actual inability.



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I would say ppl of Faith have the potential to be as intelligent as anyone else but faith makes for a lazy brain imo.

 

[paarsurrey]

I would say ppl of Faith have the potential to be as intelligent as anyone else but faith makes for a lazy brain imo.

It is a wrong concept. How G-d created everything and made it useful for us is even more important to us than just leaping in the dark and void?
Regards

 

[atanu]

I would say ppl of Faith have the potential to be as intelligent as anyone else but faith makes for a lazy brain imo.

When I was 15 year old my youngest brother was 9. He at that time always had 4-5 kids of ages 5-7 on attendance, massaging his body while he lay sprawled on the floor or massaging his arm while he wrote with the other, etc. I could not fathom his power and asked him his method. He divulged that he created competitions among those kids and each day gave a toffee to the winner of his liking.

Same with most of us, running after some toffee. Some however see through it and opt out of rat race and are content to appear as weak and dumb.

 

[paarsurrey]

When I was 15 year old my youngest brother was 9. He at that time always had 4-5 kids of ages 5-7 on attendance, massaging his body while he lay sprawled on the floor or massaging his arm while he wrote with the other, etc. I could not fathom his power and asked him his method. He divulged that he created competitions among those kids and each day gave a toffee to the winner of his liking.
Same with most of us, running after some toffee. Some however see through it and opt out of rat race and are content to appear as weak and dumb.

Competition makes possible progress.
Regards

 

[Walter Russell]

It is a wrong concept. How G-d created everything and made it useful for us is even more important to us than just leaping in the dark and void?
Regards

My meaning is that it takes little to no effort to hear a story and blindly accept it. On the other hand whether you can prove something to be true or not, examining alternate ideas with an open mind and deep thought certainly exercise the brain and improves its function.

 

[Skwim]

I would say ppl of Faith have the potential to be as intelligent as anyone else but faith makes for a lazy brain imo.

While there is truth to the contention that intelligent people are less likely to be religious, it doesn't mean that there are not intelligent religious people.
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And, I think religious faith does inhibit open mindedness when it comes to religion.


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[paarsurrey]

My meaning is that it takes little to no effort to hear a story and blindly accept it. On the other hand whether you can prove something to be true or not, examining alternate ideas with an open mind and deep thought certainly exercise the brain and improves its function.

The truthful religion puts no ban on the new ideas.
Regards

 

[Walter Russell]

The truthful religion puts no ban on the new ideas.
Regards

The inner light of true religion reveals truth, not ideas.

 

[paarsurrey]

The inner light of true religion reveals truth, not ideas.

No restriction on having new ideas or difference of opinion.
Regards

 

[ADigitalArtist]

A quote from a "lesser" intelligence

"There is a harmony in the cosmos which I ,with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, yet there are people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is they quote me to support their views."

Albert Einstein

Don't be quick to pigeonhole Einstein. His beliefs are not as straight forward as many theists paint him either.
He also said these quotes:
"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."
“I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one,”
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

 

[Walter Russell]

Don't be quick to pigeonhole Einstein. His beliefs are not as straight forward as many theists paint him either.
He also said these quotes:
"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."
“I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one,”
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

I agree with you about Einstein, He didn't believe in God in the religious sense. However he did have knowlege of the Kabbalah.
If you think of God as the intelligent force behind the mathimatical equation that IS creation and can be observed in many scientic fields using the golden ratio. Einstein never objected to God in this respect. The same can be said for Nikola Tesla, Water Russell and Edward Leedskalnin to name a few other great minds.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I agree with you about Einstein, He didn't believe in God in the religious sense. However he did have knowlege of the Kabbalah.
If you think of God as the intelligent force behind the mathimatical equation that IS creation and can be observed in many scientic fields using the golden ratio. Einstein never objected to God in this respect. The same can be said for Nikola Tesla, Water Russell and Edward Leedskalnin to name a few other great minds.

Oh yeah, of course. And I certainly don't agree with the thread's title subject or anything. Just wanted to point out that Einstein was not a traditional monotheist in any respect.

 

[Skwim]

I agree with you about Einstein, He didn't believe in God in the religious sense. However he did have knowlege of the Kabbalah.
If you think of God as the intelligent force behind the mathimatical equation that IS creation and can be observed in many scientic fields using the golden ratio. Einstein never objected to God in this respect. The same can be said for Nikola Tesla, Water Russell and Edward Leedskalnin to name a few other great minds.

Leedskalnin, the kook? You've got to be kidding. Who next, L. Ron Hubbard and Dianetics, or Wilhelm Reich and orgone?


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[paarsurrey]

Oh yeah, of course. And I certainly don't agree with the thread's title subject or anything. Just wanted to point out that Einstein was not a traditional monotheist in any respect.

And that is just your opinion.
Regards

 

[Walter Russell]

Leedskalnin, the kook? You've got to be kidding. Who next, L. Ron Hubbard and Dianetics, or Wilhelm Reich and orgone?


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If you don't think Leedskalns' Coral Castle wasn't the work of a brilliant mind then you need to step away from the koolaid!
Besides he wouldn't be the first crazy genius now would he?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Atheists scientists proclaim that "believers are not very smart"?

They didn't actually claim that. It was discussed earlier the thread that the article didn't even claim that, but was rather read-into it by the OP.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

And that is just your opinion.
Regards

He made that pretty clear himself.
"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."
“I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one,”
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

 

[Skwim]

If you don't think Leedskalns' Coral Castle wasn't the work of a brilliant mind then you need to step away from the koolaid!

Don't know how you're defining "brilliant" here, but I don't see his construction of the place as taking any kind of extraordinary intelligence, more like a case of OCD on overdrive.

Besides he wouldn't be the first crazy genius now would he?

If he was a genius he wouldn't be, but I hardly consider him a genius. Crazy? Sure, why not.


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