Persecution and killings of peaceful Ahmadi Muslims

[paarsurrey]

So; it is just a political concept otherwise there is no state in the world that unequivocally states in its constitution that it is secular.

It is only in essence that it is thought that a state is secular or not.

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[paarsurrey]

Chronology for Ahmadis in Pakistan

Jul 1991 Hazrat Mirza T. Ahmad, head of the 10 million-strong Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam, visited Toronto to attend the 3-day 15th annual convention of the Ahmadiyya Movement in Canada. Ahmad was born in India, but migrated to Pakistan in 1947. He was elected Caliph of the Movement for life in 1982 and left Pakistan for England in 1984 because of the anti-Ahmadiyya laws. Ahmad says that there are 72 Islamic sects and blames orthodox Muslim clerics for stirring up anti-Ahmadiyya sentiments (The Toronto Star, 07/06/91).

Refworld | Chronology for Ahmadis in Pakistan

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[paarsurrey]

Mob ransacks Ahmadiyah village

The attacks were apparently connected to a meeting of the local branch of the Indonesian Ahmadiyah Congregation (JAI) on Friday and Saturday that was attended by 2,700 Tenjowaringin residents, Dodi said.

Wanasigra- the village of enchanting beauty – 95% residents are Ahmadis

Police chief Adj. Sr. Comr. Wijonarko said that the meeting, which was conducted under guard by police, ended after ashar prayers in the late afternoon on Friday and resumed on Saturday.

“The activity stopped after dzuhur on Saturday, Wijonarko said, referring to noon prayers. “People who were against Ahmadiyah, however, got information saying that the activity was still going on.”

Police met members of the mob, who descended on the hamlet from outside Tasikmalaya around 1 a.m. on Sunday to ensure that the meeting had ended, according to the police chief.

“We prevented the mob from vandalizing the village. When they found out that the gathering had indeed stopped, the mob responded by throwing stones,” Wijonarko said.

Dodi said the attack on the community had gone on for about 15 minutes. “But it seemed that there was someone giving the commands.”

The Ahmadhi spokesman said that police officers on scene did nothing to stop the rampage and that no one had been evacuated after the attack.


According to the spokesman, 29 buildings were damaged in the attack, including a mosque, a mushola (small mosque) and an elementary school.

Mob ransacks Ahmadiyah village | The Muslim Times

 

[outhouse]

If these people are like you.


I can see them asking for trouble from lack of reason and logic.


You give all good muslims a bad name with your constant proselytizing and misrepresentation of facts.

 

[paarsurrey]

I welcome the differing and opposing voices.

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[outhouse]

You give all good muslims a bad name with your constant proselytizing and misrepresentation of facts.

 

[YmirGF]

I welcome the differing and opposing voices.

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But the thing is, Parsurrey, the vast majority of the Muslim world isn't interested in your views or the views of the Ahmadiyah sect.

 

[Shad]

So; it is just a political concept otherwise there is no state in the world that unequivocally states in its constitution that it is secular.

It is only in essence that it is thought that a state is secular or not.

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It need not be written in a constitution as state and religion are separate. This is the basic concept of secularism.

 

[paarsurrey]

Chronology for Ahmadis in Pakistan

Oct 1992 Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif's government announced that a column that indicates one's religion will be added to each citizen's identity card. The government reportedly succumbed to pressure from Islamic fundamentalists of the majority Sunni sect who had demanded that Ahmadis should not be identified as Muslims and should be removed from important government jobs.

In recent months, Sharif has come under increasing pressure from fundamentalist groups that helped him win the 1990 election. The government says the decision to incorporate the new column had been taken in the light of recommendations from the four provincial governments, the Ministry of Religious Affairs, and the official Council of Islamic Ideology (Reuters, 10/13/92).

Pakistan's opposition, the People's Democratic Alliance (PDA), led by Benazir Bhutto, attacked the government decision, arguing that it would promote religious discrimination. Bhutto stated that it was contrary to the concept of religious freedom envisioned by Pakistan's founder M.A. Jinnah (Reuters, 10/14/92).

Refworld | Chronology for Ahmadis in Pakistan

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[paarsurrey]

Chronology for Ahmadis in Pakistan

Nov 1992 Minority Christians, protesting the new law that requires one's religion to be listed on national identity cards, attacked the Minister for Minority Affairs Peter J. Sahotra and forced him to literally write out his resignation in front of them. Police escorting the Minister fired gunshots to disperse the crowd. Islamic officials state that the new law is not aimed at Christians, but at Ahmadis as they also have Muslim names (UPI, 11/09/92).

Refworld | Chronology for Ahmadis in Pakistan

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[paarsurrey]

Ahmadi doctor murdered in Mirpur Khas, Sindh, Pakistan
MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 22, 2014

The victim was about 50 years old and leaves behind two daughters, two sons and his widow, it is reported. Local sources says Dr Khosa was a very active member of the Ahmadiyya Muslim community and a man of good repute.

An Ahmadi medical practitioner is shot dead in Mirpur Khas, a rural part of Sindh in Pakistan.

Early reports say Dr Mubashar Khosa was shot at about 8 pm local time at his clinic by two men on a motorcycle.

According to Ahmadiyya spokesperson in Pakistan, Mr Salimud Din, Dr Khosa used "to see patients at his clinic on Sanghar Bypass Ring Road in Mali Colony."

Further, according to Ahmadiyya spokesperson, Dr. Khosa was seeing his patients when two unknown motorbike riders stopped by his clinic, entered the building and opened fire on him.

He died on his way to hospital.

The victim was about 50 years old and leaves behind two daughters, two sons and his widow, it is reported.

Local sources says Dr Khosa was a very active member of the Ahmadiyya Muslim community and a man of good repute.

Ahmadiyya Times: Breaking: Ahmadi doctor murdered in Mirpur Khas, Sindh, Pakistan | Updated

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[paarsurrey]

Gunmen kill Ahmadi man in Attock
October 16, 2014

ISLAMABAD: Gunmen in Attock have shot dead a retired air force official who was a member of the country’s Ahmadi minority, police said Thursday, bringing to seven the number of people killed in violence against the persecuted community this year.

The incident took place in Attock district, around 64 kilometres north of Islamabad on Wednesday, a spokesman for the community said.
“Latif Aalam Butt, a well-known Ahmadi was killed outside his house in Kamra, district Attock. He was returning home from his stationery store, when unknown assailants repeatedly fired at him,” Saleem ud Din said.

Local police also confirmed the incident, adding that Butt was 62. It was not immediately clear what role he had served in the air force.

“The victim’s son filed an application here at the police station today,” local police official Qasim Ali told AFP.

“According to his son’s account, the victim owned a stationery shop in Saddar market and was returning home from his shop during the incident.”
Butt’s neighbour reported the incident and he was pronounced dead upon arrival at the local hospital, Ali quoted the son as saying.

Agitation against the group began as early as the 1950s, eventually culminating in a constitutional amendment in 1974 that ruled the group non-Muslims — making Pakistan the only state to adopt such a policy.

Gunmen shot dead an Ahmadi doctor in the southern city of Mirpur Khas last month. In July, an angry mob torched an Ahmadi neighbourhood in the city of Gujranwala, killing a woman and two girls after a local Ahmadi boy was accused of blasphemy.

The worst attack in recent times came in 2010 when an assault on Ahmadi mosques in Lahore killed nearly 100 people.

Gunmen kill Ahmadi man in Attock – The Express Tribune

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[paarsurrey]

Expanding Note # [5] in Post #2460 of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya_by_country#cite_note-9:

A good Muslim's better life cut short by extremists
Date
March 11, 2012
Jock Cheetham

A man ''true and honest'' … Muhammad Akram with his grandson Wajeeh Ahmed on his wedding day in April 2010.

MUHAMMAD AKRAM climbed on to the back of his grandson's motorcycle to go home for lunch, not knowing he had just minutes to live. The pair rode through the streets of Nawabshah in Pakistan where the Sydney grandfather had spent much of his life. As they parked under a tree, a motorcycle approached. One of two men, his face covered by cloth, put the gun close to Mr Akram's back and fired.

This was the first assassination of an Australian Ahmadi Muslim, say Mr Akram's family. The killing was religiously motivated, says the Ahmadiyya community in Pakistan.

Some Muslims regard Ahmadis as heretical and their persecution by Sunni Muslim extremists is as old as Pakistan.

A Skype image of Mr Akram's body transmitted from a laptop computer to the family in Sydney.

In Australia immigrant people can create new lives, but their old countries - be they Britain, China or Pakistan - pull people back to relatives, friends and lives never fully left behind, even when, like Mr Akram, they left as refugees. Sometimes tragedy results, in Mr Akram's case a killing hatched within a web of local and international politics. The extremists who persecute Ahmadis have links to terrorist organisations there, in Afghanistan and elsewhere, including al-Qaeda.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/a-good-...-extremists-20120310-1ur12.html#ixzz3pLPwmoHl
http://www.smh.com.au/world/a-good-muslims-better-life-cut-short-by-extremists-20120310-1ur12.html

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[gnostic]

I don't think it is just the "extremists" attacking or persecuting the Ahmadi Muslims.

It is the conservative Muslims, who naturally don't like new idea from the Ahmadiyya.

All Muslims, including that of Ahmadiyya believed that Jesus was Messenger and the messiah. So there is already a messiah that Muslims believe in.

But Mirza Ghulam Ahmad introduced himself as the new messiah or the new saviour. Understandably the older sects don't like this claim, so they would generally view the Ahmadiyya as a heretic sect. So Mirza calling himself a messiah don't sit well with most non-Ahmadi Muslims.

Ahmadi Muslims are without doubt a lot more peaceful group than majority of Sunni and Shia. But peaceful or not, they are challenging the older Islamic ideology or the older orders.

This older group persecuting the newer group, is not just confined to the Ahmadis. It happened quite often throughout history in which presenting something older or more conservative people, will take action against new idea, new faction.

When I said "understandably" earlier, I mean I understand why they are being hostile toward the Ahmadis, because they feel threatened...but that doesn't mean I agreed with the actions taken by the Sunni or Shiites, or side with them.

Unfortunately, Mirza and his new sect had only made the Ahmadis target for hostility and attack.

 

[paarsurrey]

We Ahmadiyya-Islam don't hate or persecute anybody, we rather love and respect everybody irrespective of one's religion,race, colour or creed.
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[cambridge79]

Isn't that the destiny of every minority in every major religion to be persecuted? You know, because religions spread love, communion, peace and tolerance......or so they say about themselves

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Ahmadis are generally not fundamentalists, they're pretty peaceful and open minded.

Pakistanis are generally fundamentalist. In general Sunni Islam is becoming more fundamentalist.

As a consequence of that, we are seeing the slaughter of Shias, Christians and Yezidis in Iraq and Syria.

Ahmadiyya Muslim ticking time bomb
Because they believe in the Koran
But they interpret the Koran misinterpreted
This is the second step to the Ahmadiyya will return to the origins of the Koran
This is considered the Ahmadiyya kind of pious Islamic

 

[psychoslice]

And so karma comes back to us, whoever you are and whatever religion you think you are.

 

[Jedster]

If they are like you, they bring it on themselves

Not all are like paarsurrey. When I lived in London(1990s), I knew several Ahmadis including their leader(the late 4th Kalif).
When I went to learn about their version of Islam,they also taught me about the their differences with Sunnis and Shias. They taught without prejudice.

None beat the drums like paarsurrey. He is obviously very enthusiastic and should reserve his enthusiasm for the other Muslim sects.
Certainly if all Muslims became Ahmadii.,our planet would be a much more peaceful place.

Yes, I am a dreamer....but good dreams can make a better world


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[paarsurrey]

Isn't that the destiny of every minority in every major religion to be persecuted? You know, because religions spread love, communion, peace and tolerance......or so they say about themselves

Till such times, the peaceful minority becomes the peaceful majority with the grace of God, that is the ultimate destiny:

[2:156] And We will try you with something of fear and hunger, and loss of wealth and lives, and fruits; but give glad tidings to the patient,
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=2&verse=155​

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