Plan for concentration camp in Texas.

[SkepticThinker]

Are you party blind or only see what you want to see?

From 2022
The Biden Administration Routinely Separates Immigrant Families

The Biden Administration Routinely Separates Immigrant Families

Right now, the Biden administration is asking the public to weigh in on ways the U.S. government can minimize the separation of migrant families. The request was prompted by the ongoing work of a task force set up to address family separations that made headlines under the Trump administration’s...

immigrantjustice.org

From 2024
Report reveals migrant family separations continue under Biden

Report reveals migrant family separations continue under Biden

While President Joe Biden rescinded the controversial “zero tolerance” approach of former President Donald Trump, separations still happen, according to a UCLA report.

www.kpbs.org

"Right now, the Biden administration is asking the public to weigh in on ways the U.S. government can minimize the separation of migrant families. The request was prompted by the ongoing work of a task force set up to address family separations that made headlines under the Trump administration’s Zero-Tolerance border policy. But that program was just one in the myriad of cruel deterrence and enforcement programs that continue to separate parents from their children and cause lasting harm to migrant families."

Did Trump ever do that?
Of course not.

Trump's policy specifically was to use child-family separation as a deterrent to migrants/asylum seekers/refugees from seeking refuge in the US.

 

[Copernicus]

I'll have to think more about what that means exactly

I think there is some myth-making that goes into this talk about the economy needing to be healthy, that I hear everywhere. The economy does not have to be based on one basic, linear measure: it does not have to be based on material growth. We base is strictly on material growth, which cannot stop. This does not necessary benefit a nation's base population.

I think a lot of immigrants might have actually voted trump, I'll have to go back and check. In any case, as I've constantly posted, I've worked in the factory here for 10 years. For me as a suburban american, this is considered a bit of a 'fall,' from my supposed potential. I dropped out of college, and my generation was told you had to go to college. Thus I am ostracized. For the immigrants, I don't believe they view themselves with less social value for doing work: they still start families and often work together as husband and wife. As for me, well I think I am plainly too socially alienated quite frankly in doing these sorts of jobs, to be able to have that. I am 38 years old. Once my parents eventually pass on, I will likely be quite alone.

You seem to believe that you have some legitimate grievance against a largely undefined class of people you call "immigrants". You talk about how they vote, perhaps forgetting that the only "immigrants" who can vote are naturalized citizens, most of whom have lived here for years. Much of the debate here has been over undocumented and documented non-citizen immigrants.

As for mass deportation, I am not going to argue for that. I went over that in my 1st post in the thread, I believe. I sense that whatever movements that may soon happen to that effect, may potentially cause great division. What with possibly using the army and such..

But we are talking about policies actually proposed by the incoming Trump administration--millions of people rounded up and deported and all done through emergency powers that would bypass normal due process.

You do realize the topic is over illegals and the plan to deport them. Not vetted legitimate migrants.

I realize that Trump plans to use emergency powers to carry out the deportations. You, apparently, have not given much thought to why he needs to use emergency powers. He has already talked about suspending laws in the past. Have you not been listening to him? Not taking what he said seriously? How do you round up and deport millions of people legally? If you can ignore laws, you don't need to do it legally.

 

[Kathryn]

No, I also considered Slavs and Gypsies. Why didn't you mention them?

Also, the mentally challenged (to use what I THINK is the correct term today).

 

[Heyo]

Somebody seems to have forgotten what happened during Trump's first time around.

Migrant families separated under Trump still feel the fallout and they fear his return to office

Donald Trump's zero tolerance immigration policy as president resulted in children being separated from their families at the U.S.-Mexico border.

apnews.com

Trump’s Family Separation Immigration Policy: How History Could Repeat

Donald Trump’s defense of family separation indicates the immigration policy could return if he wins the election in November 2024.

www.forbes.com

And Trump nominated Homan as Director of Deportation, the same guy who was acting ICE director in Trump's first administration. That makes it clear what Trump is expecting from him. And he promised to deliver "shock and awe".

 

[BrightShadow]

First of all, people convicted of crimes in other countries are not always guilty of crimes in the US,

I wasn't talking about those kinds of crime. Political?

I was talking about murder, theft, rape, drug dealing etc. Obvious ones.
Those crimes are bad everywhere.

so the small percentage of those found to have any criminal record would be unlikely to add up to the millions that Trump is proposing to deport en masse.

Again, why is Trump proposing to invoke a national emergency? If you can't think of a reason, I can. It's to get around the legal barrier of their right to due process. And due process is what Trump has relied on to delay multiple criminal trials, but he is not a refugee from anything except accountability.

Unlikely a mass deportation will take place. Not feasible to collect so many desperate folks. It will be a chaos. They will hide.
It will be expensive also.
To round up just a million - it will cost billions and billions.


It will be impossible to figure out where they are really from. So, that would be another problem.

That is why - they have to offer the good ones a deal. If they show their identity and prove who they are and that they are not criminals back in their own country then they got to stay. So, the good ones will apply and get their papers. On the other hand - the bad ones will hide.

The effort would be to find the ones who didn't and wouldn't respond to the good 'call' of amnesty.

Only those who remain in hiding - cut off their benefits - so that they don't get any free medical treatment or anything anymore.

So. in short - you have to offer amnesty for the good ones. So that you can get the bad ones.

Some will benefit (the ones without history) and the bad ones will go in hiding without benefit.
Win win for everyone.

Why don't you jump in the lake?

I did - just a couple of weekends ago. It was fun. Getting cold now.

Anyhow wait and see. It will be all good.
Make you protest gear, banners and fliers ready - just in case.
Fight, fight, fight. That's what Trump told you. Right?

 

[Heyo]

Only those who remain in hiding - cut off their benefits - so that they don't get any free medical treatment or anything anymore.

What about punishing those who lure them into the country? Make it illegal to employ undocumented immigrants, and impose painful fines.

 

[BrightShadow]

What about punishing those who lure them into the country? Make it illegal to employ undocumented immigrants, and impose painful fines.

Are you talking about the bad ones?
They will get exposed sooner or later.

You have to give amnesty to some good ones - to get to the bad ones.

 

[Kathryn]

What about punishing those who lure them into the country? Make it illegal to employ undocumented immigrants, and impose painful fines.

I agree with this as well as other means and ways. I mean, I think you do it all and watch the bad guys get caught and deported. And definitely cut off their benefits, if they are getting any.

 

[Heyo]

Are you talking about the bad ones?

I'm talking about all, from hiring someone to mow your lawn to big farmers who exploit hundreds and thousands.

They will get exposed sooner or later.

You have to give amnesty to some good ones - to get to the bad ones.

Amnesty, even before the bill has passed? A transition period, maybe, to get work permits.

 

[F1fan]

I wasn't talking about those kinds of crime. Political?

I was talking about murder, theft, rape, drug dealing etc. Obvious ones.
Those crimes are bad everywhere.

They’re bad enough in the Trump family.

Ashley Babit is dead because Trump lied about election fraud. To my mind he is complicit with her death and that means murder.

 

[BrightShadow]

They’re bad enough in the Trump family.

Ashley Babit is dead because Trump lied about election fraud. To my mind he is complicit with her death and that means murder.

There are many things in your mind - none good though!

You are biased. Not sure why but you are!


Did they find the missing voters from 2020? Millions voted for Biden but did not vote for Kamala. Why they remained silent this time around?
Such an important election and they decided to not vote? Common on now! Phantoms
In 2020 too many mail ins were sent out. Million and millions of ballots. What came back - no one knows.

Protesters over did it on their own - because they thought they have a free pass to get in. Whose fault was - to not have additional guards?

Learn to put the blame where it belongs.

 

[Wandering Monk]

They’re bad enough in the Trump family.

Ashley Babit is dead because Trump lied about election fraud. To my mind he is complicit with her death and that means murder.

BTW, Trump wants to put the officer who shot her on trial.

 

[F1fan]

There are many things in your mind - none good though!

To be judged this way by a MAGA is a compliment. It means I’m considerate, decent, pro-democracy, ethical, wise, empathetic, honest and many other virtues. Of course MAGAs don’t like anyone who have good qualities because it makes them look bad in contrast. It’s due to MAGAs giving up on character and decency, and lowering their standards in most every way.

 

[F1fan]

BTW, Trump wants to put the officer who shot her on trial.

Good luck with charges that will stick. What a waste of time and money.

Ashley Babit’s family should sue Trump for her death. He’s why she was killed. It was his lie about election fraud that led to the protest, which exploded into a riot, and many dumb Trump cultists breaking into the capitol.

 

[Copernicus]

Trump lies all the time, so he has probably already forgotten that he made that threat. His AG would be unlikely to charge a police officer for shooting a rioter attempting to breach a security barrier. Ashley Babbit was part of a screaming mob of people who were smashing windows and attacking police defenders. Nobody forced her to jump a police barrier being defended by armed men

 

[amorphous_constellation]

You seem to believe that you have some legitimate grievance against a largely undefined class of people you call "immigrants".

I think I have the goal of describing the situation with some degree of broad accuracy, rather than holding onto a grievance. If anything, my remarks might formulate a complaint toward my own culture. Some immigrants are fully naturalized and can vote, I know that.. it's worth mentioning here to wonder how they voted. I don't think that came up in this thread

But we are talking about policies actually proposed by the incoming Trump administration--millions of people rounded up and deported and all done through emergency powers that would bypass normal due process.

If you want to make arguments against that happening, that's fine. It could be a potentially divisive action, and could potentially be carried out with poor care. Perhaps it would be best if it doesn't happen, but it looks like something may happen at this point

 

[BrightShadow]

To be judged this way by a MAGA is a compliment. It means I’m considerate, decent, pro-democracy, ethical, wise, empathetic, honest and many other virtues. Of course MAGAs don’t like anyone who have good qualities because it makes them look bad in contrast. It’s due to MAGAs giving up on character and decency, and lowering their standards in most every way.

I laughing as I am writing this.

I cannot judge you.
You could only be judged by your substance.
Your substance may very well include LGBTQ DNA
I don't know.
So I cannot judge.


But I do know - you are biased. I can see that in you posts.

I would believe anyone over the podcasts or with a YouTube channel where I can see who they are and where they are coming from.
You have an unknown factor about you. So, it is unwise to claim to be all that.
You are just another voice - who is wrong most of the time.

Arrogance oozing out.

 

[F1fan]

I laughing as I am writing this.

Is your case manager tickling you?

I cannot judge you.

Too late.

You could only be judged by your substance.

False, anyone can judge me.

Your substance may very well include LGBTQ DNA
I don't know.
So I cannot judge.

Correct, you don't know much of anything.

But I do know - you are biased. I can see that in you posts.

All people have bias. It's whether they are able to recognize bias, and able to manage it when reasoning that is the issue. Your posts demonstrate rampant right wing disinformation and a near complete lack of awareness that you have been duped to believe it. So be careful about pointing out bias when you have such a chronic problem with it.

I would believe anyone over the podcasts or with a YouTube channel where I can see who they are and where they are coming from.
You have an unknown factor about you. So, it is unwise to claim to be all that.
You are just another voice - who is wrong most of the time.

Arrogance oozing out.

Oh the irony. Notice you don't explain why I'm not a credible poster whose ideas and reasoning are wrong. That you disagree is irrelevant.

 

[BrightShadow]

Notice you don't explain why I'm not a credible poster whose ideas and reasoning are wrong.

I point out as much as possible.
You are wrong most of the times.
Too many to point out.
You are wrong right now.

 

[F1fan]

I point out as much as possible.

With indifference to truth and fact.

You are wrong most of the times.

Your flawed judgment is irrelevant given your lack of following facts.

Too many to point out.

Good, less disinformation to correct.

You are wrong right now.

Of course you think this. Notice you fail to explain what or how. So we dismiss another of your posts, and question why you bother.