Plan for concentration camp in Texas.

[SkepticThinker]

I would provide humanity in the forms of arms and weaponry to take back their land and kill all the bad people.

I think you need to look up what the word humanity means ...

 

[SkepticThinker]

When you learn how to Google or any other search query , the words concentration camp, tell me what's usually among the first things that pops up on the list?

Here's my search result....

Nazi concentration camps - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Most people think of that you know which is why concentration camps immediately bring images of great horror and suffering.

I doubt many of the Jews arriving were even that healthy to begin with in light of the treatment they have been given by the Nazis.

But in sure you know that already.

Well, before Jews made it to the camps, they were first crammed into ghettos, which were holding places for their imminent deportation to the camps, not all of which had gas chambers.

But I'm sure you know that already.

 

[anotherneil]

No.

Correct.

The disgusting Nazis targeted many minority groups as well, like gays and intellectuals.

German Jews themselves were minority group in Nazi Germany, and they literally went into other countries and kidnapped Jews; more Jews were from Poland, Hungary, and Romania than Germany itself, and that's not combined number, either - that's separately.

Are "gays and intellectuals" the only examples that come to mind for you? Did you know that some were Jehovah's Witnesses, some were Muslims, some were people who had disabilities & mental illnesses?

Look how similar their rhetoric was to MAGAs going after trans and woke and DEI, especially in acadamia. Intolerance and hate that is whipped up by political actors, like Trump, is always reason to oppose it.

Are you saying that US citizens, legal residents, or those who are in the country legally, that are trans and woke and "DEI" (I don't know what this group of people is - I'm only familiar with the policy "diversity, equity, and inclusion"), are going to be sent to this deportation facility?

Are you trying to siften how bad concentration camps are to help justify your support for MAGA policiies? How much farther will you go to justify starvation and allow disease to take lives of migrants held in these camps? We already know how MAGAs ignore the child separation and inhumane treatment of migrants in the first Trump administration. Can you parse your morality to what the new and improved criminal administration seems willing to do?

Don't try to make this about me; you don't know me & it even shows with your loaded questions.

Are you trying to claim that US prisons are soft? I, myself, have never been to prison, but from what I've heard about them they're very far from soft. From what I've heard, they're cruel and inhumane places that treat people like animals.

You're the one trying to soften things by referring to illegal aliens as "migrants" & even worse than that, you're defending human trafficking by pretending that when a child is separated from adults, that we know that those adults are their parents; we do not know that they're their parents & the separation is for the protection of these children, not for their inhumane treatment.

I'll engage in a discussion based on the facts & the truth, not political spin/propaganda/lies.

 

[anotherneil]

I believe the distinction used to classify a camp as a 'Concentration Camp' is that those being detained are illegally detained.

Ok, in that case a deportation facility would not be a concentration camp.

 

[Wandering Monk]

But I'm sure you know that already.

Doubtful.

 

[Shaul]

That they are planning to concentrate people there. That is the definition of a concentration camp.

By that "definition" elementary schools and the Woodstock festival would be concentration camps.

 

[Copernicus]

Not will be.
The ones who are guilty of a crime before they came to USA.
You can check their identity and info from their country.
Many gang members and convicts came here,

First of all, people convicted of crimes in other countries are not always guilty of crimes in the US, nor were they necessarily allowed due process in their trials. And their records may not be easily accessible. Women and children would be unlikely to have criminal records, so the small percentage of those found to have any criminal record would be unlikely to add up to the millions that Trump is proposing to deport en masse.

Again, why is Trump proposing to invoke a national emergency? If you can't think of a reason, I can. It's to get around the legal barrier of their right to due process. And due process is what Trump has relied on to delay multiple criminal trials, but he is not a refugee from anything except accountability.

For the rest of your post - wait and see what happens.
Don't jump the gun.

Why don't you jump in the lake? Wait and see what what happens before you just assume you're going to get wet. Jump in the lake before you jump the gun.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

First of all, people convicted of crimes in other countries are not always guilty of crimes in the US, nor were they necessarily allowed due process in their trials. And their records may not be easily accessible

Well, it may also be true that there's also a vice versa effect with that, that things that are 'normal' law in other parts of the world are not ok here. So if they broke laws by american standards before they came here, why shouldn't there be a penalty for that? I know you're probably not a lawyer, so I'm just wondering aloud. And as well, I don't assume that everywhere in the world has the same level of bureaucracy that we do, so I won't assume that records are everywhere kept as accurately or consistently as we keep them, nor do I know where we rank with that in comparison to others, who perhaps record their citizens even more accurately

 

[Twilight Hue]

Doubtful.

You must have just learned that word.

 

[Heyo]

Ok, in that case a deportation facility would not be a concentration camp.

In that case, there have never been concentration camps in Germany. You can be sure that those facilities were built with correct permits and everyone there was sent by law and/or court order.

 

[F1fan]

Are "gays and intellectuals" the only examples that come to mind for you? Did you know that some were Jehovah's Witnesses, some were Muslims, some were people who had disabilities & mental illnesses?

No, I also considered Slavs and Gypsies. Why didn't you mention them?

Are you saying that US citizens, legal residents, or those who are in the country legally, that are trans and woke and "DEI" (I don't know what this group of people is - I'm only familiar with the policy "diversity, equity, and inclusion"), are going to be sent to this deportation facility?

Why did this even come to your mind? Is it something you heard on right wing disinformation media?

Don't try to make this about me; you don't know me & it even shows with your loaded questions.

Kind of like you yelling at cars as you stand in the middle of the interstate highway. Maybe you aren't cut out for debate.

Are you trying to claim that US prisons are soft?

That you ask shows I said no such thing.

I, myself, have never been to prison, but from what I've heard about them they're very far from soft. From what I've heard, they're cruel and inhumane places that treat people like animals.

Many are private businesses, and most are right wing affiliated.

How Private Prisons Are Profiting Under the Trump Administration

The private prison industry is benefiting from Trump administration policies to expand detention and increase profits.

www.americanprogress.org

You're the one trying to soften things by referring to illegal aliens as "migrants" & even worse than that, you're defending human trafficking by pretending that when a child is separated from adults, that we know that those adults are their parents; we do not know that they're their parents & the separation is for the protection of these children, not for their inhumane treatment.

The vast majority coming to the USA are migrating for the sake of a beter life. Some are whole families. I know the right wants to color migrants as criminals and "poisoning the blood of America". Whether they enter legally or not they still have human rights, and the right to due process. I never see any of our right wing members acknowledge that these are human beings that have human rights. Cal;ling them "illegals" is one way to dehumanize them and evade the compassion these people are owed. Tis is why the Nazis referred to Jews as rats that infested their country. The low information MAGA is surely unaware of this history, as they seem to be repeating as useful idiots for Trump.

I'll engage in a discussion based on the facts & the truth, not political spin/propaganda/lies.

I take it you mean you will start now. You haven't so far.

 

[F1fan]

Ok, in that case a deportation facility would not be a concentration camp.

It depends how well the Trump administration hides the crimes from the citizens and the world. The Trump administration refused entry to humanitarian groups and even members of congress when they detains migrants in his first term. The treatment of these people got domestic and international condemnation for human rights violations.

Thus far we have no reason to trust Trump or any of the people he has in his orbit. Stephen Miller is truly a sociopath, and he will be monitored very carefully to see if he authorizes any criminal acts against any humans. He and many others have aid things that indicate an indifference to the law.

 

[Copernicus]

Well, it may also be true that there's also a vice versa effect with that, that things that are 'normal' law in other parts of the world are not ok here. So if they broke laws by american standards before they came here, why shouldn't there be a penalty for that? I know you're probably not a lawyer, so I'm just wondering aloud. And as well, I don't assume that everywhere in the world has the same level of bureaucracy that we do, so I won't assume that records are everywhere kept as accurately or consistently as we keep them, nor do I know where we rank with that in comparison to others, who perhaps record their citizens even more accurately

None of that has anything to do with how we treat refugees fleeing conditions in their native lands. The US has traditionally been a land of refuge for those seeking a better life. The overwhelming number of US citizens come from people seeking refuge and a better life. Read the inscription on our Statue of Liberty. And we actually need those younger workers to make up for our growing population of aging citizens. If we really want to keep our economy healthy and our country great, mass deportation is not the way to go. If Republicans are serious about fixing the problem, they should bring back the compromise bill that Trump torpedoed because he wanted to have an immigration crisis to campaign on. He might even sign it, now that he got what he wanted.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Read the inscription on our Statue of Liberty.

I'll have to think more about what that means exactly

And we actually need those younger workers to make up for our growing population of aging citizens. If we really want to keep our economy healthy and our country great, mass deportation is not the way to go.

I think there is some myth-making that goes into this talk about the economy needing to be healthy, that I hear everywhere. The economy does not have to be based on one basic, linear measure: it does not have to be based on material growth. We base is strictly on material growth, which cannot stop. This does not necessary benefit a nation's base population.

The US has traditionally been a land of refuge for those seeking a better life.

I think a lot of immigrants might have actually voted trump, I'll have to go back and check. In any case, as I've constantly posted, I've worked in the factory here for 10 years. For me as a suburban american, this is considered a bit of a 'fall,' from my supposed potential. I dropped out of college, and my generation was told you had to go to college. Thus I am ostracized. For the immigrants, I don't believe they view themselves with less social value for doing this work: they still start families and often work together as husband and wife. They likely have a community that doesn't look down on it, and that's important. As for me, well I think I am plainly too socially alienated quite frankly in doing these sorts of jobs, to be able to have that. I am 38 years old. Once my parents eventually pass on, I will likely be quite alone.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

If we really want to keep our economy healthy and our country great, mass deportation is not the way to go.

As for mass deportation, I am not going to argue for that. I went over that in my 1st post in the thread, I believe. I sense that whatever movements that may soon happen to that effect, may potentially cause great division. What with possibly using the army and such..

I'm not going to argue for or against it: if they give orders to do it, then that's what they're going to do. If they don't, they don't. I didn't vote

 

[Twilight Hue]

None of that has anything to do with how we treat refugees fleeing conditions in their native lands. The US has traditionally been a land of refuge for those seeking a better life. The overwhelming number of US citizens come from people seeking refuge and a better life. Read the inscription on our Statue of Liberty. And we actually need those younger workers to make up for our growing population of aging citizens. If we really want to keep our economy healthy and our country great, mass deportation is not the way to go. If Republicans are serious about fixing the problem, they should bring back the compromise bill that Trump torpedoed because he wanted to have an immigration crisis to campaign on. He might even sign it, now that he got what he wanted.

You do realize the topic is over illegals and the plan to deport them. Not vetted legitimate migrants.

 

[Kathryn]

A policy that says to people going under the radar "you'd better hide really well, because if you get caught, they'll take your kids and throw you in a standing room only cage for a month" is not the sort of policy that would help you know who is in your country and why.

I really hope for your sake that someone takes pictures of this.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Correct.


German Jews themselves were minority group in Nazi Germany, and they literally went into other countries and kidnapped Jews; more Jews were from Poland, Hungary, and Romania than Germany itself, and that's not combined number, either - that's separately.

Are "gays and intellectuals" the only examples that come to mind for you? Did you know that some were Jehovah's Witnesses, some were Muslims, some were people who had disabilities & mental illnesses?


Are you saying that US citizens, legal residents, or those who are in the country legally, that are trans and woke and "DEI" (I don't know what this group of people is - I'm only familiar with the policy "diversity, equity, and inclusion"), are going to be sent to this deportation facility?


Don't try to make this about me; you don't know me & it even shows with your loaded questions.

Are you trying to claim that US prisons are soft? I, myself, have never been to prison, but from what I've heard about them they're very far from soft. From what I've heard, they're cruel and inhumane places that treat people like animals.

You're the one trying to soften things by referring to illegal aliens as "migrants" & even worse than that, you're defending human trafficking by pretending that when a child is separated from adults, that we know that those adults are their parents; we do not know that they're their parents & the separation is for the protection of these children, not for their inhumane treatment.

I'll engage in a discussion based on the facts & the truth, not political spin/propaganda/lies.

Somebody seems to have forgotten what happened during Trump's first time around.

Migrant families separated under Trump still feel the fallout and they fear his return to office

Donald Trump's zero tolerance immigration policy as president resulted in children being separated from their families at the U.S.-Mexico border.

apnews.com

Trump’s Family Separation Immigration Policy: How History Could Repeat

Donald Trump’s defense of family separation indicates the immigration policy could return if he wins the election in November 2024.

www.forbes.com

 

[SkepticThinker]

You do realize the topic is over illegals and the plan to deport them. Not vetted legitimate migrants.

You mean like the Haitians in Ohio that Trump says he is going to deport?

 

[We Never Know]

Somebody seems to have forgotten what happened during Trump's first time around.

Migrant families separated under Trump still feel the fallout and they fear his return to office

Donald Trump's zero tolerance immigration policy as president resulted in children being separated from their families at the U.S.-Mexico border.

apnews.com

Trump’s Family Separation Immigration Policy: How History Could Repeat

Donald Trump’s defense of family separation indicates the immigration policy could return if he wins the election in November 2024.

www.forbes.com

Are you party blind or only see what you want to see?

From 2022
The Biden Administration Routinely Separates Immigrant Families

The Biden Administration Routinely Separates Immigrant Families

Right now, the Biden administration is asking the public to weigh in on ways the U.S. government can minimize the separation of migrant families. The request was prompted by the ongoing work of a task force set up to address family separations that made headlines under the Trump administration’s...

immigrantjustice.org

From 2024
Report reveals migrant family separations continue under Biden

Report reveals migrant family separations continue under Biden

While President Joe Biden rescinded the controversial “zero tolerance” approach of former President Donald Trump, separations still happen, according to a UCLA report.

www.kpbs.org