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Plan for concentration camp in Texas.

Heyo

Heyo

Veteran Member
amorphous_constellation said:
Why don't other countries take in people like we do? I think maybe people should be spread around way more, because there are places on this planet that actually may lack diversity, and they could probably use it - not the western nations, which already get plenty of immigrants, but many of the other ones. And from this policy, wouldn't national policies between nations start to cease to differ, until eventually there were no borders anywhere?
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You think the US is the only country accommodating refugees?
FYI: List of sovereign states by refugee population - Wikipedia

The US is pretty much at the end of the numbers of refugees taken in, let alone per capita or per area.
Europe especially has to deal with refugees caused by the US wars (which were based on a lie) in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria.
And Europe is stingy compared to Lebanon, the world capital of refugees.
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
amorphous_constellation said:
Why don't other countries take in people like we do?
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They do.

During the Syrian Civil War, Canada took in about the same number of Syrian refugees as the US, despite the fact that Canada is a tenth of the size.

Back in the early 90s, about a third of the students at my high school were Tamil refugees from the Sri Lankan Civil War.

Around the same time, all the motels where I lived were filled with Roma families waiting for their refugee status hearings. These families weren't imprisoned; they were literally put up in hotels - not exactly 5-star hotels, but still - and given a living allowance from the government. They were free to leave their hotels and their kids attended local schools.

Until Canada and the US amended their safe third country agreement recently, Canada actually got a fair number of refugees coming in from the United States.

The US isn't really exceptional in the volume of refugee claimaints it gets.
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Heyo said:
You looked for "concentration camp" and got Nazi concentration camps before Concentration camp - Wikipedia?
Either you have a very ****ty search engine or you are lying.
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FWIW, that's how it came up for me in Google, too.

That being said, the general concentration camp article was only a couple of hits down, and the Nazi concentration camp article links back to the main concentration camp article, so @Twilight Hue doesn't really have an excuse for the ignorance he's feigning.
 
anotherneil

anotherneil

Well-Known Member
9-10ths_Penguin said:
Concentration camps are generally distinct from other types of imprisonment in a few ways:

- prisoners are selected based on demographic characteristics.
- prisoners are held without trial.
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Is breaking the law a "demographic characteristic"?

These deportation facilities are for individuals who've had trials, some of whom didn't show up on their trial dates.

Since these deportation facilities are to house individuals who broke the law by trespassing onto US soil, that means that these deportation facilities aren't concentration camps at all.

This is something anyone can understand, except apparently Democrats.
 
Copernicus

Copernicus

Industrial Strength Linguist
Why is everyone picking on the Nazis as if they invented concentration (political internment) camps? They existed long before WW2. There are plenty of good examples from US history. American Indians were the earliest victims of such camps. And Russia had a long tradition of such camps, culminating in the notorious gulag system. That kind of cruelty wasn't invented by Germans. Trump just wants to revive an old American tradition.
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Copernicus said:
Why is everyone picking on the Nazis as if they invented concentration (political internment) camps? They existed long before WW2. There are plenty of good examples from US history. American Indians were the earliest victims of such camps. And Russia had a long tradition of such camps, culminating in the notorious gulag system. That kind of cruelty wasn't invented by Germans. Trump just wants to revive an old American tradition.
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It's the history that doesn't get taught in American elementary schools, so a lot of people don't know about it.

Depending on your point of view, the concentration camp in its modern form was invented either by the Spanish or the British, but the Americans very quickly adopted them for use in Cuba during the Spanish-American War.
 
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F1fan

Veteran Member
anotherneil said:
Were those only Jews in Nazi concentration camps?
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No. The disgusting Nazis targeted many minority groups as well, like gays and intellectuals. Look how similar their rhetoric was to MAGAs going after trans and woke and DEI, especially in acadamia. Intolerance and hate that is whipped up by political actors, like Trump, is always reason to oppose it.

anotherneil said:
Are US prisons "concentration camps"?
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Are you trying to siften how bad concentration camps are to help justify your support for MAGA policiies? How much farther will you go to justify starvation and allow disease to take lives of migrants held in these camps? We already know how MAGAs ignore the child separation and inhumane treatment of migrants in the first Trump administration. Can you parse your morality to what the new and improved criminal administration seems willing to do?
 
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F1fan

Veteran Member
Copernicus said:
Why is everyone picking on the Nazis as if they invented concentration (political internment) camps? They existed long before WW2. There are plenty of good examples from US history. American Indians were the earliest victims of such camps. And Russia had a long tradition of such camps, culminating in the notorious gulag system. That kind of cruelty wasn't invented by Germans. Trump just wants to revive an old American tradition.
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I think it's the easiest example to cite for the low information MAGA. Even they know about it, and even accept that it really happened, and most might even think it was wrong. I just responded to a MAGA who was trying to compare the US prison system with concentration camps.
 
Kathryn

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Viker said:
How's that any different than just putting a bullet through all their heads? It's the same thing.

I'm real sure little untrained Haitian children are going to be a match for experienced armed gangs of bandits.
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The median age for a Haitian immigrant is 47.
www.migrationpolicy.org

Haitian Immigrants in the United States

The United States is the world’s top destination for Haitian migrants, who in recent years have fled an array of disasters and crises. Compared to other immigrant groups in the United States, the nearly 731,000 Haitians are more likely to be naturalized citizens, arrive through family-based...
www.migrationpolicy.org www.migrationpolicy.org
 
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