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Plan for concentration camp in Texas.

amorphous_constellation

Well-Known Member
You think the US is the only country accommodating refugees?

The US isn't really exceptional in the volume of refugee claimaints it gets.
Isn't the term 'refugee' just one classification among many, for people who migrate.. In america, we have asylum seekers (are they technically refugee status?), undocumented immigrants, and a few other classifications I believe, like people here on various visas, and people who obtain green card. I don't think I ever wrote the word 'refugee' here guys..

I tried to read 2 books on immigration into america sort of recently, one with a right-wing author, and one with a left-wing author. They both differed wildly with their numbers, so I don't know what's going on. I'm not going to trust wikipedia with the total number either, I don't think

Maybe I'll ask AI some questions on this, and compare its numbers to the books. I wonder if I should trust that more
 
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amorphous_constellation

Well-Known Member
During the Syrian Civil War, Canada took in about the same number of Syrian refugees as the US, despite the fact that Canada is a tenth of the size.

Back in the early 90s, about a third of the students at my high school were Tamil refugees from the Sri Lankan Civil War.
Ok, but as to those 2 conflicts that happened in Syria and Sri Lanka, how many refugees went to america and canada for instance, as compared to other countries, many of which are closer? That might be a good question for AI as well
 

BrightShadow

Active Member
Of course they are calling it a "deportation facility", but it is a place where they are going to concentrate people, if they do this it will be a concentration camp. Don't be confused about that.

You are wrong. It is not a concentration camp because no innocent individuals will be there. Only criminals with past records.



~ I will give you a hint about what is going to happen. Read until the end. ~



I see a whole lot of criticism about what Trump might do.
RELAX! He is not in the White House yet.

Why don't I hear any comments from the same crowd - criticizing Biden and Kamala for creating this mess in the first place? :rolleyes:
Dems created this mess and - if you do nothing you are damned, you do something you are damned.

Heard that before?
"Be damned if you do and damned if you don't."

USA cannot sustain the medical expenses incurring from so many migrants - forget about other bills. These migrants are getting every mole in their body scanned and checked by Dermatologists while American tax payers are paying for it. Yes! Americans are paying for all their medical issues. While at the same time - Americans are paying for their own healthcare costs as well. Nothing is really free. Someone is paying for it. Those of us who are paying towards our own insurance and co-pays - are also paying for for all that.

So, what is the solution to the problem B & K created?

It seems Sleepy Joe knew Trump could win but forgot to tell the Lying Kamala.
Biden tried to make sure whoever takes the office after him - have a distraction over their head.

Had Kamala won - in about four years from now - the same folks complaining here in the RF (I mean - the Americans) would have been complaining about their neighborhood and their resources going bleak.

It would have dwindled into nonexistent.

Hospitals crowded, schools crowded, nursing homes crowded, tents on the streets, police overwhelmed, shelters crowded, soup kitchens crowded, malls crowded with beggars, Home Depot crowded with folks looking for daily hires and grocery stores would have resembled the Federal Reserve with security guards everywhere!
You guys have no idea what kind of bullet you dodged. Really no idea!:rolleyes:

Anyhow, this 'Land offer' in Texas - is just a publicity stunt to scare the migrants with criminal records. It would be nice if it works and the bad apples voluntarily go back to their own country or head into Canada. ;)
The hope is they go as far as possible from Texas and possibly into Canada or into NYC or California.
But I know it won't work. It is a wishful thinking!

They all will probably just stay put and see what happens first because we have a lot of Dems who would jump on the streets fighting for their rights. Yes! their rights to destroy our healthcare system. Remember - there is always a consequences to what you do. You may think you are doing the right thing but you may not be doing the right thing in the long run.

Of course we have to show compassion but at what cost?:confused:

NYC, California and even Canada should prepare for the influx of migrants because that is where they could be heading. Building a detention center in Texas is pointless. IMO


Solutions to the B & K problem:


One option would be to give the ones paperwork to work and pay taxes for 10 years before qualifying for legal status (citizenship).
I am confident - all the good and decent hard working migrants will be happy with that option and will be encouraged to get tax paying jobs instead of staying on welfare.
But they must establish their country of origin because that is the only way to check if they have had any past criminal records back in their own countries.

The other option is to call them to come in, interview them and then legalize the ones without criminal records. After that whoever don't show up for that interview - go after them. The ones who won't pay any heed to the 'calls' to be legalized - are the ones with criminal past. ;)


Even after rounding up the ones who fail to show up for the 'calling' - it would still be difficult to figure out which country they really are from because these folks discard all their ID/passports at the border before coming in.

So, what do we do with those who we cannot identify? That is where the detention center comes into play. It would be for the potential criminals who couldn't be identified. Identifying them via fingerprints or DNA could take time.


No matter what you do - there always be some folks not happy. We need to make a database for Americans who are not happy with the solution and are willing to go out of their way to help with a different solution. This is where you guys come in who are voicing their opinion against Trump.

Now here is the final solution for you guys to play your part:

After legalizing the vast majority of the migrants and identifying the criminal ones and deporting them - there would still be some left who cannot be identified.

We can let those good Samaritan Americans take home those remaining migrants. Those nice Americans can adopt those remaining unidentifiable ones as their brother, sister, mother, father, uncle and aunt. Those Americans will have to sign an affidavit - that they will sponsor them until they are on their own two feet (a minimum of 3 years).

All problems solved.
:cool:
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Isn't the term 'refugee' just one classification among many, for people who migrate.. In america, we have asylum seekers (are they technically refugee status?),

Refugee claimant. Someone who seeks asylum becomes a refugee claimant. They then get a hearing to determine whether they'll be acknowledged officially as a refugee.


undocumented immigrants,

Not mutually exclusive. A lot of refugee claimants are undocumented.

and a few other classifications I believe, like people here on various visas, and people who obtain green card. I don't think I ever wrote the word 'refugee' here guys..
You're mixing up issues here.

Visitor visas aren't about immigration. Someone who comes for tourism or education and then leaves isn't an immigrant.

And there's no net burden associated with economic migrants. If someone gets a green card because, say, they're in an important, understaffed profession or because they're an entrepreneur who's coming to set up a business and employ a bunch of people, they're being accepted because they represent a clear benefit to the country they're immigrating to. They're very far from a refugee. These economic migrants are only admitted if theg can demonstrate that they can support themselves without assistance from the government.
 

amorphous_constellation

Well-Known Member
I hope you are right. I really hope I am being "histrionic".

But I remember you saying things like this to me in 2015 and 2016. And I don't think I was wrong then.


I honestly don't know what is going to happen here, I am not making predictions. But if it turns out that there are no human rights abuses, that will be because we saw this pattern and stopped it.


I wish people were more "histrionic" before other tragic events of history, instead of being shocked after.
Just as a side-note I think there is another histrionic-ish thing that might be occurring in modern times with this, and it involves modern movies.. There are movies created within a few years ago in america, and also decades ago that are about cartel wars. I think that this is extremely bizarre, because the content of those movies involves a yet to be resolved conflict. It would be like if they started making action movies on the ukraine / russia conflict right now, even though it might be far from being done yet.
 

amorphous_constellation

Well-Known Member
Refugee claimant. Someone who seeks asylum becomes a refugee claimant. They then get a hearing to determine whether they'll be acknowledged officially as a refugee.
how long might that take?
Not mutually exclusive. A lot of refugee claimants are undocumented.
So that means they are still 'asylum seekers,' right, but if they are waiting for a hearing, then they likely are recognized on some level, correct?
You're mixing up issues here.

Visitor visas aren't about immigration. Someone who comes for tourism or education and then leaves isn't an immigrant.
But can't you renew a green card perpetually?

I have to go to sleep, bye
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
how long might that take?

Depends. Sometimes years, when the system is overwhelmed.

So that means they are still 'asylum seekers,' right, but if they are waiting for a hearing, then they likely are recognized on some level, correct?

They're recognized as refugee claimants.

But can't you renew a green card perpetually?

A green card means permanent resident status on the road to citizenship.
 

BrightShadow

Active Member
Is this your personal guarantee that there will never ever be children in these camps? (Sorry "deportation facilities")

Because if you are saying there will be no "innocent individuals there" I will hold you to that prediction.
Make you protest gear, fliers and banners ready to protest just in case I am wrong.
Trump threatens but in the end - he does the right thing.;)
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
FWIW, that's how it came up for me in Google, too.

That being said, the general concentration camp article was only a couple of hits down, and the Nazi concentration camp article links back to the main concentration camp article, so @Twilight Hue doesn't really have an excuse for the ignorance he's feigning.
That's because you just don't pay attention. I have stated in my post it is among the top search results.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
I make too much sense and too little money apparently. I think that the path to citizenship should not cost as much money or be as convoluted. Oh well. I still think we need to know who is in our country and why.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
I still think we need to know who is in our country and why.

A policy that says to people going under the radar "you'd better hide really well, because if you get caught, they'll take your kids and throw you in a standing room only cage for a month" is not the sort of policy that would help you know who is in your country and why.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Heh... the guy who can't see past his first hit in a Google search or past the first sentence in that hit thinks I don't pay attention. Funny.
You don't pay attention. I never said the first hit or first sentence.

Pretty funny how you can't even recognize what I say.
 

Copernicus

Industrial Strength Linguist
You are wrong. It is not a concentration camp because no innocent individuals will be there. Only criminals with past records...

I read your wall of text, and I don't have the time to address all of the points I think you got wrong. Perhaps the most egregious error was in what you wrote above. What makes you think that people rounded up will be guilty of a crime?

Concentration camps are notorious for incarcerating a class of people, and Trump's plan is to detain people who belong to a class that he has scapegoated as criminals. Under our system of constitutional law, people are innocent unless convicted by a court. Don't you know that? Trump has said he intended to deport millions. Do you honestly believe he intends to have millions of trials? Why do you think he is talking about declaring a national emergency and imposing martial law? Do you think that unleashing the military internally to round people up for deportation is about deporting criminals? It is about deporting people without due process.

What Trump proposes is a crime, but, according to our Trump-besotted Supreme Court, he has absolute immunity for doing anything that can be construed as an official act of office. So it is an unprosecutable crime.
 

BrightShadow

Active Member
What makes you think that people rounded up will be guilty of a crime?
Not will be.
The ones who are guilty of a crime before they came to USA.
You can check their identity and info from their country.
Many gang members and convicts came here,


For the rest of your post - wait and see what happens.
Don't jump the gun.
 
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