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Please define the word at security 1 Thessalonians 5:3

Benoni

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Nice. I cannot frubal you for awile because I have already.

Your sharing reminds me of the Bible scripture that in the day we are expecting "knowledge will become abundant". JWs believe all that knowledge is found only in one place. But Jesus said to expect lightening that does not come to one place.

Luke 17:24 For the Son of Man in his day will be like the lightning, which flashes and lights up the sky from one end to the other.

The wisdom of God can be found in many places. Even among the Jehovah's Witness. Even at the UPC meetings. But I believe those who make a monopoly of it are doing a terrible disservice to their own people, and even to the world.

I have said a prayer for you brother. Peace!
You too brother, it is awesome seeing some one who is coming out, that is what the word Church means ; the called out.
 

savagewind

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You too brother, it is awesome seeing some one who is coming out, that is what the word Church means ; the called out.

Yes, I can believe I was called out. They say they need the encouragement of the group and it is true that life can be lonely sometimes without bodies around but I would rather enjoy a rare instance of true love than the artificial love that is put on for the sake of something that I do not understand.

ps It is OK that you call me brother. :p I am from the generation where boys were boys and girls were girls. We even had separated play areas for each sex. LOL
 

savagewind

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Premium Member
Oh.....I have more. This is dedicated to my fav curmudgeon (a really hard word to spell). It's not my new friend Benoni.

She's pregnant. Let's have another look at it, shall we?

Destruction will be sudden as the birth pains of a woman's womb.

Womb? Oh nevermind.

This is interesting. The body that is Christian in our day has conceived the idea God will destroy the wicked. It dwells in everyone who believes it. When (actually if) world wide destruction should come, all those who are in the body who believe in it will suffer the pains of birth. It will finally be present. How's that?
 

savagewind

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If a person believes he or she is saved (saved = peace and security) how is it possible for salvation of a different kind to save him or her?

Is it possible?

Is it possible for a person to be saved by a salvation not their own?
 

savagewind

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Someone might say (if I wasn't so damn scary.....SNORT) that the bible makes if very clear God will indeed destroy the wicked. To say otherwise is preaching a false doctrine.

Clears throat. YHVH already destroys the wicked. Do you know, or have you ever heard of, a wicked person who has not, or will not, die? I haven't.
 

savagewind

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I believe it is not possible to be saved by a salvation not one's own. The reason is simple. I am talking about the salvation of God. One God, one faith, one body....

If there are only two souls saved by two different salvations that they both believe in, the result is contention in the body. Contention is the opposite of peace. The salvation I believe in is of peace. Please correct me If I am wrong.
 

savagewind

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Btw I am not corrected by personal insults. OMG Correct the words for goodness sake, not the person by bashing. It doesn't work.
 

savagewind

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"When they say" means they will say and then destuction will come upon them. Do you know how many believe that and put their faith in it? I'm not well??

By the writer writing "say" it seems to be acceptable to believe it. It is true peace is a fruit of the spirit and is delivered to Earth by God so I agree that the nations are not in a position to promise peace (and secruity is a pipe dream because, you know, asteroids and such, also deseace....I want to swear at spelling...and guns and tretury that's not right....lalala....maybe she's right oh my) OK. I dedicated my not looking up spelling just now to you know, her who could be me, I guess, according to some forecasts. Let's see now, where was I? Oh ya. The point of "to say" is that each of us must find our own peace and not be following what others say about it. Whadoya think? LOL Maybe the right word is bored silly with a little mania mixed in. I am still feeling offended by the accusation "unwell". Jesus says you have to drop your gift there and find me. Haha
 
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Benoni

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So that they that flesh cannot please God, Cain slew Abel, both servants of God on of the wicked one, one of God. God hated Esau and loved Jacob because his hated him, Jacob as after the spirit. Joseph breather hated him because the father loved him. Ishmael who was the son of bond women mocked Isaac who was the son of the freewoman.

Jesus said He would divide a house against each other, two against three, for I have come to set a man at variance against his father. And the daughter against her mother and the daughter in law against her mother in law, and a man’s foes shall be of his own household. Matt: 10:35

God does not rejoice with division, but whenever man of God will walk with God that man will always finds division with the flesh. How often do children see God’s glory, but our held back by worldly minded parents or parents who only see the traditions of their fathers?

Rejection: Those people who learn god is creating them in his image and likeness must sooner or later they can only depends On God. God knows that whoever places his trust on man will sooner or later be disappointed

Paul knew the bitterness of unfaithful friends, Hear him as he says Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world and at my first answer no man stood with me. He knew what it was to weep as he warned God’s people of false teachers for he was betrayed by friends and delivered up to prison

By the time this man on earth had ended He had learned Christ was all and all. Have you ever wondered why the longer you walked with God the less and less friends you had?

Why did Jesus say “I came not to bring peace, but a sword?” Is He not also the prince of peace? Al those who are going to be God’s sons must learn that peace between the flesh and the spirit can never be for a moment, they are two enemy’s warring against each other. The High Priest and the religious leaders were all ready to crucify they will be misunderstood by the people who confuse they knew God, and hindered by those who should be giving them help. But all of this is for their great eternal benefit; for it will cause us to know Him separately from all people and all things, and that is blessing and the glory.

When a man of God learns you cannot trust man and learn to put your total trust in God. The mind of men only know earthy council, we need to come to a place when we learn to let the mind of Christ dwell in them richly, the mind of Christ is omniscient

Mark 8:31
Young's Literal Translation (YLT) 31 and began to teach them, that it behoveth the Son of Man to suffer many things, and to be rejected by the elders, and chief priests, and scribes, and to be killed, and after three days to rise again;

Matthew 21:42 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)42 Jesus saith to them, `Did ye never read in the Writings, A stone that the builders disallowed, it became head of a corner; from the Lord hath this come to pass, and it is wonderful in our eyes.</SPAN>


Galatians 6:8 Young's Literal Translation (YLT 8 because he who is sowing to his own flesh, of the flesh shall reap corruption; and he who is sowing to the Spirit, of the Spirit shall reap life age-during;</SPAN>








 

savagewind

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God does not rejoice with division, but whenever man of God will walk with God that man will always finds division with the flesh. How often do children see God&#8217;s glory, but our held back by worldly minded parents or parents who only see the traditions of their fathers? Those people who learn god is creating them in his image and likeness must sooner or later they can only depend on God. God knows that whoever places his trust on man will sooner or later be disappointed

Is He not also the prince of peace? Al those who are going to be God&#8217;s sons must learn that peace between the flesh and the spirit can never be for a moment, they are two enemy&#8217;s warring against each other. The High Priest and the religious leaders were all ready to crucify they will be misunderstood by the people who confuse they knew God, and hindered by those who should be giving them help. But all of this is for their great eternal benefit; for it will cause us to know Him separately from all people and all things, and that is blessing and the glory.

Mark 8:31
Young's Literal Translation (YLT) 31 and began to teach them, that it behoveth the Son of Man to suffer many things, and to be rejected by the elders, and chief priests, and scribes, and to be killed, and after three days to rise again;[

Matthew 21:42 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)42 Jesus saith to them, `Did ye never read in the Writings, A stone that the builders disallowed, it became head of a corner; from the Lord hath this come to pass, and it is wonderful in our eyes.[/B][/FONT]</SPAN>[/B]


Galatians 6:8 Young's Literal Translation (YLT 8 because he who is sowing to his own flesh, of the flesh shall reap corruption; and he who is sowing to the Spirit, of the Spirit shall reap life age-during;[/B][/FONT]</SPAN>[/B]





Paul knew the bitterness of unfaithful friends, Hear him as he says Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world and at my first answer no man stood with me. He knew what it was to weep as he warned God&#8217;s people of false teachers for he was betrayed by friends and delivered up to prison
Most Jehovah's Witnesses I am familar with reject this teaching. They believe God keeps the congregation clean and the message perfect as is humanly possible. Some think that to distrust a teacher in the congregation means losing trust in God.

By the time this man on earth had ended He had learned Christ was all and all. Have you ever wondered why the longer you walked with God the less and less friends you had?
I do not wonder why, no. I wonder how. How is it possible to reject a friend (me) for strangers (the governing body).

When a man of God learns you cannot trust man and learn to put your total trust in God. The mind of men only know earthy council, we need to come to a place when we learn to let the mind of Christ dwell in them richly, the mind of Christ is omniscient
I think the way to freedom is to learn the self is also 'Man' who cannot be trusted. Some people say they can feel that whatever doctine they put their faith in is true. But it means trusting themself. Someone will say every person must have some trust in the self and it's true. We are talking about God though. Right? I see every single day people trusting in themselves instead of God. I do it too, I'm sure. But I don't flaunt it like some people I have met do. :eek:
 
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savagewind

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It's actually not possible to be unwell and self righteous at the same time. I think the lady thinks I'm both.
 

savagewind

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Is the opposite of unwell agreeable? I am disagreeable. Am I unwell and disagreeable? Can it be my unwellness is causing my disagreeableness or is it the other way around? Are they even related?
 

nazz

Doubting Thomas
I was at a revival service and I was really trying to seek God’s will when I was interrupted for being too emotional. (this was a Pentecostal religious service).

Seriously? That's bizarre. I attended a Pentecostal church off and on for about 13 years and it was very emotional. Weeping at the altar, that sort of thing. Like you I slowly began to question all the dogma and broke free.
 

savagewind

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What is the purpose of calling a stranger on forum unwell and how is it related to The Kingdom of God and the preaching of the good news please?

Also, how does the conscious allow the person to speak to only those that might be converted and to ignore the rest?

How is all that related to world (stike that) Earth peace?
 

savagewind

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I do not know if I dislike being struck worse than being ignored or ignored worse than being struck. The reason why is being struck is very rare but being ignored is most of the time. Being struck is much worse and I hate it more but being ignored is so very damn often, I don't know.
 

Benoni

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What is the purpose of calling a stranger on forum unwell and how is it related to The Kingdom of God and the preaching of the good news please?

Also, how does the conscious allow the person to speak to only those that might be converted and to ignore the rest?

How is all that related to world (stike that) Earth peace?
I do not believe God is calling the whole world now, If God does not call you you do not have a freewill to come.

I want to start with one verse:


John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw (Greek drag) him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

The words translated "draw" and "drew" in the Greek New Testament are HELKUO and HELKO. Each of these words has the basic meaning of "compel ... .. draw," "pull," and "tug." In most instances the force which does the drawing or compelling is sufficient to cause the object of the drawing to respond fully.
 

savagewind

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I do not believe God is calling the whole world now, If God does not call you you do not have a freewill to come.

I want to start with one verse:

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draws him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
The words translated "draw" and "drew" in the Greek New Testament are HELKUO and HELKO. Each of these words has the basic meaning of "compel ... .. draw," "pull," and "tug." In most instances the force which does the drawing or compelling is sufficient to cause the object of the drawing to respond fully.

I am tending to agree with you.

The Father WHO IS GOD and LOVE and Spirit draws people to Jesus.

I believe that is the truth.

I will tell you what I found out about the Jehovah's Witnesses. They spend their time studying ways to be convincing people their way (which they believe is God's way) is the only way. According to that arrangement it is not God who draws people to Jesus Christ. It is convincing evidence that draws people to the congregation of God and only a few are actually drawn to Christ and those few have already been drawn to him. Christ is calling no more people to him (according to JW precept). The full number has been accomplished. Now they are searching for all the people who will become Jehovah's Witnesses for Paradise Earth.
 
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