Please Explain: "Gay Christian"

[sojourner]

Obviously you don't read it. Someone has to.

Another fallacy -- ad hominem.

 

[Thruve]

Well, it's you, and all other advocates for Satan.

Sorry, the community of psychological experts are also advocates for Satan. They just say what you want to hear.

If you know your Good Lord like I do, then Im sure you know of his Irony.
Like my father, and many others who upheld that same mentality, it will take a gay son to prove to you otherwise.

 

[Sonofason]

I guess in SOME cases they COULD learn when any other human does the majority of its learning...

When they were a kid.

Check out this study:

"Nevertheless, it is disturbing to find that although under 4 percent of boys are molested by men, a recent major study found that the rate of childhood molestation by men among homosexual or bisexual men was nearly ten times that (35 percent). It is also notable that 75 percent of homosexual men report their first homosexual experience prior to the age of sixteen, as compared to 22 percent of heterosexual men reporting their first heterosexual experience.

"What’s intriguing is that 68 percent of the homosexual men did not identify as homosexual until after the abuse."

And sadly, the only gay guy I know has a father in prison right now for the same exact thing even though he has told me that he USED to like women until he smelled a vagina. Then, he just decided to move on to men....

I'm not saying all gay men are molested or anything like that but based on research, 6-7 out of 10 of them are (or are victims of statutory rape). The other 3 could fall into one of the following categories:

Not 100% gay, mentally ill, doing it for attention, perfectly normal and can't help it, etc.

Of course, I'm sure there are other studies out there that will throw this one under the bus (even though I've yet to see one that provides REAL evidence that someone was born gay) and that's fine.

I'm just presenting my own side to the argument and I don't think gay people are monsters or anything...

I just think that in most cases....they've been victims.

I don't think gay people are monsters either. They are human beings that need compassion, but not extra rights. They are human beings caught up in sin, not necessarily originating from any fault of their own, who need Christ. They need the Word of God to show them the truth, they need the Love of God, and they need Christ for their redemption.

 

[sojourner]

If you don't know, it will be a waste of time trying to explain it to you.

You're evading the question. Try answering so that decent debate can happen.
Unless you wish to concede that I'm correct and that the bible has no wishes.

 

[Sonofason]

Not buying it. I know several gay people who do not come from dysfunctional relationships, and several straight people who do come from such relationships.

Not too many guys are secure enough to come out and tell you their dad raped them, or their mother abused them. I know I wouldn't.

 

[sojourner]

skipping this post for lack of intellectual content.

Cliffs notes: "I know I've been caught out, and want to weasel out of 'fessing up."

 

[Sonofason]

And how many little girls and women have been molested and raped?


1 in 3 girls and 1 in 5 boys is sexually assaulted before the age of 18.


61% of all sexual assaults occur before the victim reaches the age of 18;


78 women are raped each hour in America


Sexual Assault Info - The Women's Center, Inc.


SO - if we believe your model - why don't we have a predominantly gay world - with just a few heterosexuals pumping out babies in a dwindling world population???


The answer: - because your model, isn't a correct one!



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Good question, now go find the answer.

 

[sojourner]

Well, it's you, and all other advocates for Satan.

Sorry, the community of psychological experts are also advocates for Satan. They just say what you want to hear.

First of all, I haven't taught anyone to be homosexual -- or heterosexual, for that matter. Second, you're not "sorry." Third, you're last sentence is *yet another* fallacy: Poisoning the Well.

Fact of the matter is, these people are medical doctors; the DSM represents a recognized medical standard, and none of it has anything to do with "saying what you want to hear."

 

[Sonofason]

No, that's an opinion. A rather immature one.

No, your's is an opinion, and it's riddled with denial.

 

[sojourner]

He's talking to Christians. If I were to confess my sins, it wouldn't be to you.

Why not? I'm a Christian.

And, Paul in 1 Cor. is talking to the people of Corinth. And Leviticus is addressing Ancient Jews, if you insist on getting particular. Therefore, none of your precious injunctions against homosexual behavior apply to homosexuals today.

You forgot to mention Proverbs.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

No, your's is an opinion, and it's riddled with denial.

You need a dictionary.

 

[Sonofason]

Why not? I'm a Christian.

And, Paul in 1 Cor. is talking to the people of Corinth. And Leviticus is addressing Ancient Jews, if you insist on getting particular. Therefore, none of your precious injunctions against homosexual behavior apply to homosexuals today.

You forgot to mention Proverbs.

No, Paul was addressing "the church of God which is at Corinth"
(1Corinthians 1:2)

 

[sojourner]

I don't think gay people are monsters either. They are human beings that need compassion, but not extra rights. They are human beings caught up in sin, not necessarily originating from any fault of their own, who need Christ. They need the Word of God to show them the truth, they need the Love of God, and they need Christ for their redemption.

The sin they're caught up in is the sin of the discrimination of others. They deserve, not extra rights, but the same rights as everyone else: freedom from discrimination. The word of truth is that they are just fine the way they are, and God loves them just as they are.

 

[sojourner]

No, Paul was addressing "the church of God which is at Corinth"
(1Corinthians 1:2)

Fine. Then Paul isn't addressing any of us -- only Christians in the church at Corinth. Therefore, his words mean nothing to the rest of us, if that's the logic you're using for James. Unless you'd like to continue in your Relativist Fallacy.

 

[Sonofason]

Why not? I'm a Christian.

And, Paul in 1 Cor. is talking to the people of Corinth. And Leviticus is addressing Ancient Jews, if you insist on getting particular. Therefore, none of your precious injunctions against homosexual behavior apply to homosexuals today.

You forgot to mention Proverbs.

Everything God has ever said through his prophets is for everyone at all times.

 

[sojourner]

Not too many guys are secure enough to come out and tell you their dad raped them, or their mother abused them. I know I wouldn't.

Fallacy: Special Pleading.

Are you capable of producing a valid argument, or are you so caught up in the baseless arguments you're putting forth that you're simply grasping at straws?

 

[Sonofason]

You need a dictionary.

no thanks I'll be fine.

 

[sojourner]

Everything God has ever said through his prophets is for everyone at all times.

Then James is for you, too, which means that your former statement about not needing to discuss your sin openly is WRONG.

 

[Sonofason]

The sin they're caught up in is the sin of the discrimination of others. They deserve, not extra rights, but the same rights as everyone else: freedom from discrimination. The word of truth is that they are just fine the way they are, and God loves them just as they are.

I never discriminate against homosexuals.

I presently have the right to marry a woman, and so does every single adult male homosexual in the world.

 

[dgirl1986]

I never discriminate against homosexuals.

I presently have the right to marry a woman, and so does every single adult male homosexual in the world.

Why on earth would a homosexual male marry a woman. Pointless and a sham.