Please Explain: "Gay Christian"

[Sonofason]

No it doesn't!


It has been misinterpreted, and mistranslated, and twisted, for hundreds of years!




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You telling me that the Bible has been misinterpreted, and mistranslated, and twisted, for hundreds of years is no surprise to me. After all, I see clearly what you yourself are doing to the scripture. To talk about mangling the truth.

 

[Ingledsva]

Absolute bull!


We HAVE uses of it - and NONE are as homosexual!

I'm sure you are of the opinion that none of the known uses of the word in question refers to homosexuality.

And I believe you are absolutely entitled to believe anything you want.

LOL! And what does it make you? - when you say you are a Christian homosexual, - yet believe nothing you are shown - concerning the error in later translations?

You have been shown translations.

You have been pointed to sites with this info.

You have been shown quotes using the word with daughters, and mothers, = incest!

With nieces = pedophilia!

I showed you that it is in the Greek Ganymede story - as RAPE!


In other words it appears to mean sex crimes against weaker people.


There is ABSOLUTELY NO KNOW USE OF IT AS HOMOSEXUAL!!!!!!!!!


Get a grip!


You are being show facts - and continue to spout hard core right wing Christian error - with absolutely NOTHING to back what you say!


I actually question that you are actually gay? Or just using a fake identity to get to actual homosexuals?




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[Ingledsva]

No it doesn't!


It has been misinterpreted, and mistranslated, and twisted, for hundreds of years!

You telling me that the Bible has been misinterpreted, and mistranslated, and twisted, for hundreds of years is no surprise to me. After all, I see clearly what you yourself are doing to the scripture. To talk about mangling the truth.

LOL! I show my work, give links, etc!


Lets see you prove what you have said above!


If you can't - (and you can't) - then you are just all mouth!



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[Ingledsva]

I've already listed many studies, which are ongoing.



You haven't got a single legitimate study - that says it isn't before birth, (only the crap of religions idiots.) -

I certainly am not inclined to provide anything for someone so insulting as you are being to me. Enjoy the darkness.

This kind of answer is what I always get from people with no facts to back up what they say.


See Ya!



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[Sonofason]

LOL! And what does it make you? - when you say you are a Christian homosexual, - yet believe nothing you are shown - concerning the error in later translations?

You have been shown translations.

You have been pointed to sites with this info.

You have been shown quotes using the word with daughters, and mothers, = incest!

With nieces = pedophilia!

I showed you that it is in the Greek Ganymede story - as RAPE!


In other words it appears to mean sex crimes against weaker people.


There is ABSOLUTELY NO KNOW USE OF IT AS HOMOSEXUAL!!!!!!!!!


Get a grip!


You are being show facts - and continue to spout hard core right wing Christian error - with absolutely NOTHING to back what you say!


I actually question that you are actually gay? Or just using a fake identity to get to actual homosexuals?




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Well, I would love to see where you got the idea that I'm gay. Certainly, it couldn't have been anything I wrote. I assure you, I am not gay.

I have my own sins however, none of which would I ever share. My sins are between me and my God. They are not open for public display.

Lol, you say you question that I might be using a fake identity. I honestly would love to hear how you have come to question my identity. I'd love to see the identity that you are questioning as well.

But if it makes you feel better, I don't mind you thinking that I'm gay. It's rather hysterical in my opinion.

Ravenous wolves, does that mean anything to you? That's what your post reminds me of, ravenous wolves.

 

[Sonofason]

This kind of answer is what I always get from people with no facts to back up what they say.


See Ya!



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Then perhaps you ought not be so insulting. Honestly, I owe you nothing. I am quite content leaving you in the dark.

 

[Sonofason]

This kind of answer is what I always get from people with no facts to back up what they say.


See Ya!



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okay, here's a bone.
A 'gay Gene?' - Is Homosexuality Inherited? | Assault On Gay America | FRONTLINE | PBS

See, no actual evidence that homosexuality is genetic. So far it's all just wishful thinking.

 

[ScuzManiac]

okay, here's a bone.
A 'gay Gene?' - Is Homosexuality Inherited? | Assault On Gay America | FRONTLINE | PBS

See, no actual evidence that homosexuality is genetic. So far it's all just wishful thinking.

I'll agree with that to an extent.

I'm sure it IS possible to pass on gay traits through birth...

But one of the only gay guys I have ever known in my life personally...

Told me he was attracted to girls until he smelled a vagina.

He was gay ever since...

True story.

 

[Ingledsva]

Well, I would love to see where you got the idea that I'm gay. Certainly, it couldn't have been anything I wrote. I assure you, I am not gay.

I have my own sins however, none of which would I ever share. My sins are between me and my God. They are not open for public display.

Lol, you say you question that I might be using a fake identity. I honestly would love to hear how you have come to question my identity. I'd love to see the identity that you are questioning as well.

But if it makes you feel better, I don't mind you thinking that I'm gay. It's rather hysterical in my opinion.

Ravenous wolves, does that mean anything to you? That's what your post reminds me of, ravenous wolves.

Sorry, accidently crossed you with Thruve, with whom I am also debating.


However, everything else is correct.


I went back and checked to make sure.


You have no facts to stand on.




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[Ingledsva]

okay, here's a bone.
A 'gay Gene?' - Is Homosexuality Inherited? | Assault On Gay America | FRONTLINE | PBS

See, no actual evidence that homosexuality is genetic. So far it's all just wishful thinking.

As I said real studies point to before birth.


You "preference" people have nothing.



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[Thruve]

Sorry, accidently crossed you with Thruve, with whom I am also debating.


However, everything else is correct.


I went back and checked to make sure.


You have no facts to stand on.




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To which, find me studies that compare feminine men who are heterosexual, to that of gay men. Porfavor lol

 

[McNap]

I have my own sins however, none of which would I ever share. My sins are between me and my God. They are not open for public display.

Then how does this go hand in hand with Luke 8:17

For nothing is hidden, that will not be revealed; nor anything secret, that will not be known and come to light.

or 1 Timoty 5:24,25

Some men’s sins are evident, preceding them to judgment, and some also follow later.
In the same way also there are good works that are obvious, and those that are otherwise can’t be hidden.

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For what reason are they not open for public display?
If you don't show them now, we will get to see them later.
The only difference between now and later is that you will have to go with your trousers down when God reveals them later, since you could have confessed them now and already be forgiven by us.
Confessing your sins will also give you the opportunity to see how people will deal with your confessions. It's a powerful chance to find out as soon as possible whether people are good or evil.

 

[sojourner]

That is where you miss the point. No one is deserved of God's grace. You are a sinner. I am a sinner. And by that fact alone we both do not deserve God's favor. So why do you try so hard to earn God's favor? There is nothing on earth you can do to earn it.

Wrong. We are forgiven sinners, who have already had the privilege of God's grace. "Deserve" isn't in the equation. "Received" is in the equation.

 

[sojourner]

Well, I never much followed Calvinism. I know what it is for sure, but I just read the Bible, and amazingly, it speaks for itself.

"I just read the bible." Well, how convenient. An argument from Special Pleading. Fallacy Alert!

 

[sojourner]

I believe it is you who is projecting your own personal wishes on the doctrines of the Bible. And I honestly can't blame you. It's hard to bare the burden of un-repented sin.

Just exactly what are "the wishes of the bible?" I was unaware that an inanimate object could possess desire. Perhaps you could explain what the bible "wishes" and how you know this information? :areyoucra

 

[sojourner]

Honestly, when I read the Bible I rarely do it alone.

("But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.")
(1 Corinthians 2:10-16)

"But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth." (1 John 2:20-21)

"But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him." (1 John 2:27)

Now we see the "Appeal to Popularity" fallacy... and "Appeal to Authority."

Yikes.

 

[sojourner]

No one is born gay. There are no gay babies. Sexual preference is learned behavior. There is no biological malfunction. Homosexuality is a psychological dysfunction.

So... when do all these "asexual" people "learn" how to be heterosexual? And how can some people in the same cultural context and similar familial backgrounds, "learn" how to be homosexual? And, pray tell, identify this "teacher of homosexuality" so that we may avoid it!!!

Parenthetically, I find it odd that you're so sure about the "psychological dysfunction" thing, when the community of psychological experts agree that homosexuality is not a "dysfunction."

 

[sojourner]

My sins are between me and my God. They are not open for public display.

Hmmm... James 5:16 and Proverbs 28:13 suggest otherwise, my bible-banging friend.

 

[ScuzManiac]

So... when do all these "asexual" people "learn" how to be heterosexual? And how can some people in the same cultural context and similar familial backgrounds, "learn" how to be homosexual? And, pray tell, identify this "teacher of homosexuality" so that we may avoid it!!!

Parenthetically, I find it odd that you're so sure about the "psychological dysfunction" thing, when the community of psychological experts agree that homosexuality is not a "dysfunction."

I guess in SOME cases they COULD learn when any other human does the majority of its learning...

When they were a kid.

Check out this study:

"Nevertheless, it is disturbing to find that although under 4 percent of boys are molested by men, a recent major study found that the rate of childhood molestation by men among homosexual or bisexual men was nearly ten times that (35 percent). It is also notable that 75 percent of homosexual men report their first homosexual experience prior to the age of sixteen, as compared to 22 percent of heterosexual men reporting their first heterosexual experience.

"What’s intriguing is that 68 percent of the homosexual men did not identify as homosexual until after the abuse."

And sadly, the only gay guy I know has a father in prison right now for the same exact thing even though he has told me that he USED to like women until he smelled a vagina. Then, he just decided to move on to men....

I'm not saying all gay men are molested or anything like that but based on research, 6-7 out of 10 of them are (or are victims of statutory rape). The other 3 could fall into one of the following categories:

Not 100% gay, mentally ill, doing it for attention, perfectly normal and can't help it, etc.

Of course, I'm sure there are other studies out there that will throw this one under the bus (even though I've yet to see one that provides REAL evidence that someone was born gay) and that's fine.

I'm just presenting my own side to the argument and I don't think gay people are monsters or anything...

I just think that in most cases....they've been victims.

 

[sojourner]

I guess in SOME cases they COULD learn when any other human does the majority of its learning...

When they were a kid.

Check out this study:

"Nevertheless, it is disturbing to find that although under 4 percent of boys are molested by men, a recent major study found that the rate of childhood molestation by men among homosexual or bisexual men was nearly ten times that (35 percent). It is also notable that 75 percent of homosexual men report their first homosexual experience prior to the age of sixteen, as compared to 22 percent of heterosexual men reporting their first heterosexual experience.

"What’s intriguing is that 68 percent of the homosexual men did not identify as homosexual until after the abuse."

And sadly, the only gay guy I know has a father in prison right now for the same exact thing even though he has told me that he USED to like women until he smelled a vagina. Then, he just decided to move on to men....

I'm not saying all gay men are molested or anything like that but based on research, 6-7 out of 10 of them are (or are victims of statutory rape). The other 3 could fall into one of the following categories:

Not 100% gay, mentally ill, doing it for attention, perfectly normal and can't help it, etc.

Of course, I'm sure there are other studies out there that will throw this one under the bus (even though I've yet to see one that provides REAL evidence that someone was born gay) and that's fine.

I'm just presenting my own side to the argument and I don't think gay people are monsters or anything...

I just think that in most cases....they've been victims.

Not buying it. I know several gay people who do not come from dysfunctional relationships, and several straight people who do come from such relationships.