Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I may not like much about Target, but I have long liked the fact I can go there to use a unisex/family restroom, and have it to myself. If anything, it's a reliable and safe place to pee.
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Police remove woman from woman's bathroom.
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Anyway this tangent about unisex bathrooms is off-track. We have been discussing traditional Men/Women bathrooms.
Fair enough. But I still the use men's room and my ID says "F" and has a female name.
No. A family restroom is meant to be used by multiple people (i.e. parent and child). But that is off-topic to what we are talking about; traditional Men/Women restrooms.
I have not even been discussing that issue here. You are trying to conflate two separate subjects.
I can believe no one cares in that type of case. But a single male using a women's bathroom will raise problems quite quickly.
Apparently some citizens are taking upon themselves to be self-appointed restroom police now: http://www.dallasobserver.com/news/...es-dallas-woman-using-womens-restroom-8259104
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
**** like that puts me in a people hating mood. When the paranoia and fear is so bad that even cis-women can't even use the restroom without some jack *** trying to intervene, we are indeed in a sorry state.
I see it as a tricky issue. The idea that any gender can use any restroom and all of society should have no problem with this.
Me personally, I'd have I think no issue with it, but would likely stick to the same gender bathroom I've always used. If females came in there, I'd admittedly be surprised / caught off guard the first 20 or so times it happens, then likely get used to it. I wouldn't see a reason to discuss the situation and would hope there wouldn't be a need for anyone to have a discussion while I'm in there. Actually, now that I think about it, I'm probably on my 4th or 5th time of it having occurred to me, cause if I go to a place serving alcohol, there's been instances where female bathroom is such a long wait, that a female will come into male restroom to avoid the line. Usually with a boyfriend, but I'm thinking I've encountered situations where that wasn't the case.
But as long as segregated bathrooms are a norm, I think it would be a pretty big deal in society considering restrooms are a place of privacy. The transgender aspect I think helps the situation in the long run, but clouds things a bit in the short run. I wish it wasn't that way, but not sure how reasonable it is to expect it to be different.
Harassment, whenever it shows up, pretty much sucks.
Me personally, I'd have I think no issue with it, but would likely stick to the same gender bathroom I've always used. If females came in there, I'd admittedly be surprised / caught off guard the first 20 or so times it happens, then likely get used to it. I wouldn't see a reason to discuss the situation and would hope there wouldn't be a need for anyone to have a discussion while I'm in there. Actually, now that I think about it, I'm probably on my 4th or 5th time of it having occurred to me, cause if I go to a place serving alcohol, there's been instances where female bathroom is such a long wait, that a female will come into male restroom to avoid the line. Usually with a boyfriend, but I'm thinking I've encountered situations where that wasn't the case.
But as long as segregated bathrooms are a norm, I think it would be a pretty big deal in society considering restrooms are a place of privacy. The transgender aspect I think helps the situation in the long run, but clouds things a bit in the short run. I wish it wasn't that way, but not sure how reasonable it is to expect it to be different.
Harassment, whenever it shows up, pretty much sucks.
Curious George
Veteran Member
How old is your son? Most places expect males to use male restrooms by the age of 6. If you don't have a male escort for your son, would you feel like he should be escorted , by police, out of the female restroom, where he did have a female escort?
It is ridiculous. There should be no problem. If someone has to use the restroom they know which one they are supposed to use. And everyone else can mind there own business until someone is doing something besides going to the bathroom.
He's 28 and married, LOL. I was really describing a hypothetical situation.
That sounds about right to me.
You confused me with that complicated wording. I have no problem with children under six going into the bathroom of their assister's sex. Why does police escort have to come into the question?
I think women have a problem with men going into their restroom; just try it sometime
. Security or police does get put involved in these cases.All in all. I don't understand where we disagree. I think people are conflating two different issues. The question I have been addressing is how security should respond to complaints of a man in the women's bathroom. The question I have not addressed is this recent controversy over LGBT use of gender restroom which is the hot button topic people want to get into.
My point is even if we go the liberal way on the LGBT bathroom question, that is going to raise problems for security in addressing men in the women's bathroom complaints. I don't think society wants to tell women they can't ever complain about men in their restroom.
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Crisis averted!
It's good that he followed her into the women's lav to ensure that she was entitled to be there.
I've a simple solution to make life easier for lavatory cops & citizen bathroom monitors.....
Pass a law that men must all dress one way, & women must dress another.
If we can get rid of all this dreaded individuality, it'll be much simpler for government
to secure us.....or rather, keep us secure.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Except they aren't letting any gender use any restroom. Such laws are for letting women, despite their birth sex, use the women's restroom and letting men, despite their birth sex, use the men's room. That part cannot be stressed and emphasized enough. And it's not like on occasion some people use the "wrong" restroom out of convenience over a number of reasons, such as the "correct" restroom is busy, being out of service, being cleaned, or in dire need of needing cleaned.
Underhill
Well-Known Member
That's too extreme. Just tattoo a mark on the back of their hand. Something innocuous like 666 on women, 999 on men.
We are the problem solvers.
Clearly, you've no experience with the security biz!
This would require close inspection too often.
Might as well just have a front flap for a quick genital check.
No....no.....major clothing differences would let the gender police vet their quarry at a discrete distance.
Darn lesbians dressing like men when even men (eg, me) don't dress manly anymore!
Am I the only one around here with any common sense!?
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Co-Ed dorms, unisex bathrooms, and the man who just really really needs to pee going in the women's room has been happening for enough time now to study where there's a problem.
It's not from trans people. It's actually more TOWARD trans people than cis women and girls.
Rape, violence, and pedophilia occur mostly within private circles where people who are trusted abuse their trust, authority, strength to subdue and attack those less able to defend themselves.
It's a shame people prefer to gloss over that and focus on the myths that confirm their own ignorance as the looming and freaky threat.
It's not from trans people. It's actually more TOWARD trans people than cis women and girls.
Rape, violence, and pedophilia occur mostly within private circles where people who are trusted abuse their trust, authority, strength to subdue and attack those less able to defend themselves.
It's a shame people prefer to gloss over that and focus on the myths that confirm their own ignorance as the looming and freaky threat.
But this part that can't be stressed enough is the tricky part when using the exact wording you are using. I feel like without mincing words, we are saying that anyone can use any bathroom. To the degree you disagree, please present the case where a person, in your mind, can not use the restroom among a set of two bathrooms that are segregated by gender. Let me know / understand how that looks for you.
For my getting used to the idea of a female appearing person coming into the male bathroom, it is the same. I don't care to know the reason why, just that there is a female appearing person in the same restroom as me. I'm currently not used to the idea, but also don't see it as a big deal. I kind of feel that my being male makes it a less deal than if I were female and being asked to get used to the idea that male appearing individuals will be sharing the same restroom as myself going forward. Perhaps that is prejudicial/sexist to convey that, but I honestly believe guys in society will be more open to the idea than females in society.
Here's hoping that we all share the same locker rooms one day.
Underhill
Well-Known Member
Nah, just implant a chip. They could monitor bathroom traffic from space. Piece of cake!
This kind of privacy intrusion in the name of security may not be legal for petty stuff like terrorism, but to keep transgender people out of ladies room no bridge is too far...
Make mine a chocolate chip.
I like this post for this assertion (the final statement). It is the tricky part and what I think is the real problem as it stands now.
I can foresee other potential issues from idiotic men who think it okay to behave piggish when a female appearing person is in same room where they are allowed to expose their privates, but that's a problem really everywhere those type of guys are present. If anything, I think the idea of sharing restrooms will in the long run help overcome male piggishness. In the short term, I see some females not wanting that element in a place that is for females only.
Thus far the reality is these sort of problems either never come up or ever so rarely come up. And with regards to transgender people as it relates to sharing bathrooms, it never comes up.
But it strikes me as dishonest / wishful thinking to say if we suddenly changed over to sharing bathrooms with essentially no questions asked, that there wouldn't be any problems for anyone going forward.
If transgendered people face brutal discrimination outside of the bathrooms as it stands right now, then imagine scenario of piggish male who feels gravely threatened by anything other than his perception heterosexual relationships, sharing a restroom with female appearing person who he decides to make a move on in the bathroom and his (idiotic) aggression reveals something that sets him off. I don't see this as reason (even a little bit) to blame the transgender person. But do see it as wishful thinking didn't quite deliver us where we thought everything would be rosy perfect. If it happened to be rosy perfect in the restrooms of our society for say the next 20 years, then I would think all incidents outside of the restroom would be close to non-existent and life all the way around would be rosy perfect for everyone.