Police remove woman from woman's bathroom.

[Curious George]

If he's alone he should use the men's room. Very weird if he doesn't.

Theoretically yes, but I doubt it would ever get to that point. He might get told by the ladies though that he should be using the men's room.

I think many women would have an issue with grown men in their restroom.

So if a woman sees a man in the ladies room she is supposed to do or say nothing unless he's acting abnormally? Same issue with public locker rooms? I understand your empathy for transgender people but you are not fully thinking out all the ramifications of a free-choice system.

What exactly is there to be upset about? Someone you think looks like a man walks into a stall, causes no issue, uses restroom, gets up washes hands, leaves?....simple point, if they have done something other than use the restroom, sure sound the alarm, but until then mind your own business and assume they know which to use.

 

[George-ananda]

What exactly is there to be upset about? Someone you think looks like a man walks into a stall, causes no issue, uses restroom, gets up washes hands, leaves?....simple point, if they have done something other than use the restroom, sure sound the alarm, but until then mind your own business and assume they know which to use.

Sorry, but try walking into a ladies room or public locker room as a single adult male and see what happens very quickly!

 

[Skwim]

What constitutes purposely looking like the opposite sex? Women in trousers? Men in kilts?

Being new to planet Earth I imagine this is a toughy for you. Just hang around a bit and hopefully you'll catch on. If not, no biggie.


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[Curious George]

Sorry, but try walking into a ladies room or public locker room as a single adult male and see what happens very quickly!

Again, if someone is going into the women's restroom, and nothing else... You should assume that they belong. You seem to be concluding something that isn't true. We are talking about the situation where you see someone who MIGHT not belong. Sure, if you see a penis, go ahead and complain. If not, lock it down and give the person the benefit of doubt. Not everyone is a pervert out to get you and your little dog, Dorothy.

 

[Revoltingest]

I agree; however, I believe women commonly feel that men should not be allowed to use women's restrooms, and toward this purpose there is a need to differentiate between males and females. And if this differentiation proves impossible to ascertain then other means are necessary; in this case proof of gender. If you want to walk and talk like a duck be prepared to prove you're not a duck.

All the cops need do is ask.
It should be enuf for the person to answer, given the low low risk.
No one even complained....the cops took it upon themselves to wade in.

I agree, but I have no problem with security personnel doing so.

I've had security personnel.
Not once was it ever necessary to question anyone's gender.
Not once in several buildings over decades was anyone ever assaulted or even offended.

Nor do we need ID to buy tuna fish. So what?
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You proposed having ID when using the lav.
I say people shouldn't have to show papers or peepees as a condition of entry.

 

[Revoltingest]

Send in the fashion police. Literally.

We're turning into Iran, eh?

 

[Skwim]

All the cops need do is ask.

And as we saw in the video the cop wasn't satisfied with the answer.


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[Revoltingest]

And as we saw in the video the cop wasn't satisfied with the answer.
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Yeah....lousy cops.
Based upon their calling her "sir", I say they were just f*****g with her.
No benefit of the doubt....no letting her use the facilities while waiting outside to hear if there's a disturbance.
Some have the slogan, "To protect & to serve".
Theirs should be, "To control & to perve".

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Imagine the problems caused if a trans person can't legally qualify to use either gendered lavatory.
No doubt the tortured wording of any law as enforced by some mouth breather of a cop
could send a desperate user to the bushes.....& thereupon face Johnny Law once again.

I'd just like to raise a protest on behalf of the mouth-breathers of the world.
Damn nose-breathers and their superiority complexes...

 

[Revoltingest]

I'd just like to raise a protest on behalf of the mouth-breathers of the world.
Damn nose-breathers and their superiority complexes...

I apologize.
There have been some notable mouth breathers.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Just came upon this thread, and not wanting to wade through all the posts to see if this has been already addressed, my opinion is that if you're going to purposely look like someone of the opposite sex yet still want to use the facilities of your sex then you'd better have ID to prove it.


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What does this mean exactly? Like a woman having a short haircut or something?

What if someone isn't purposely trying to look like someone of the opposite sex, but they look that way anyway?

And who makes a point to carry their ID to the washroom? As a woman, I do everything in my power to not bring my purse into the washroom.

 

[Skwim]

What does this mean exactly? Like a woman having a short haircut or something?

It means whatever a person does to appear like the opposite sex.

What if someone isn't purposely trying to look like someone of the opposite sex, but they look that way anyway?

Then I would suggest they carry identification.

And who makes a point to carry their ID to the washroom?

I have no idea, but suggest to those who look like the opposite sex, purposely or not, that they carry ID.


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[Draka]

So...if I am wearing jeans, a baggy shirt, my hair is up in a ball cap, should I being considered as "dressing like a man" so should be ushered out of the ladies room? What if I just went fishing or camping with my family? I'm not likely to be wearing make-up or have my hair done. I'd probably be wearing comfortable baggy clothing if hiking. I go to use the women's room at a campsite I should have ID?

 

[Draka]

It means whatever a person does to appear like the opposite sex.


Then I would suggest they carry identification.


I have no idea, but suggest to those who look like the opposite sex, purposely or not, that they carry ID.


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And if they are not doing anything at all to "look like the opposite sex" and are just dressed as themselves or happen to have a short haircut if a woman or have long hair if a man? It's not like men and women have priority rights to particular "looks". I occasionally don a flannel shirt. Doesn't mean I'm trying to look like a lumberjack. People wear what they wear for comfort and personal style reasons. Why label?

 

[SkepticThinker]

So...if I am wearing jeans, a baggy shirt, my hair is up in a ball cap, should I being considered as "dressing like a man" so should be ushered out of the ladies room? What if I just went fishing or camping with my family? I'm not likely to be wearing make-up or have my hair done. I'd probably be wearing comfortable baggy clothing if hiking. I go to use the women's room at a campsite I should have ID?

By these standards, my grandmother is intentionally trying to look like a man. She has short hair, wears plaid shirts and wears men's shoes because her feet are gigantic. And she doesn't wear makeup because she's allergic to it.

This is a silly.

 

[SkepticThinker]

It means whatever a person does to appear like the opposite sex.


Then I would suggest they carry identification.


I have no idea, but suggest to those who look like the opposite sex, purposely or not, that they carry ID.


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What exactly is a man or woman supposed to look like? Now we all have to stare in our mirrors every morning evaluating if we look manly or womanly enough? And then carry around our ID to go the bathroom as if we live in some kind of authoritarian state. Doesn't this strike you as a tad ridiculous?[/QUOTE]

 

[Skwim]

And if they are not doing anything at all to "look like the opposite sex" and are just dressed as themselves or happen to have a short haircut if a woman or have long hair if a man? It's not like men and women have priority rights to particular "looks". I occasionally don a flannel shirt. Doesn't mean I'm trying to look like a lumberjack. People wear what they wear for comfort and personal style reasons. Why label?

I'm not labeling, only pointing up the apparent fact that in women's restrooms some women are suspicious of the gender of other women and would like the true gender of these women verified. Were it not for these feminine women (for lack of a better term) and their need there would be no issue. They're the one's who are seeking relief from their concerns, or fears, or whatever. All I'm doing is offering a solution. Got a better one, then I'm all ears. And, if no one feels my solution is good or viable, and no one else comes up with anything better, then let these women stew in their own juices.


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[SkepticThinker]

I'm not labeling, only pointing up the apparent fact that in women's restrooms some women are suspicious of the gender of other women and would like the true gender of these women verified. Were it not for these feminine women (for lack of a better term) and their need there would be no issue. They're the one's who are seeking relief from their concerns, or fears, or whatever. All I'm doing is offering a solution. Got a better one, then I'm all ears. And, if no one feels my solution is good or viable, and no one else comes up with anything better, then let these women stew in their own juices.


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How about paranoid people pee at home then.

 

[Revoltingest]

How about paranoid people pee at home then.

And if children might suffer by using the stall next to trans folk, then a parent should accompany the kid.
Really....is using a public lav alone more dangerous than being in public alone in the first place?

 

[SkepticThinker]

And if children might suffer by using the stall next to trans folk, then a parent should accompany the kid.
Really....is using a public lav alone more dangerous than being in public alone in the first place?

Good points.

I don't get why this is all suddenly such a big problem.