Politically correct

[ADigitalArtist]

I like to deal with people as individuals, not political identities, because I feel political identities are completely irrelevant.

I don't want to be considerate of your religion, gender, race or whatever "groupness" a person might feel the need to identify with.

For example, say you're a Christian. What does that actually say about you? Nothing, absolutely nothing. Does it make you a good person, a bad person? Does it make you trustworthy? Does it make you smarter or less smart.

The only thing it might do is if I held any biases or prejudice. I might judge you based on something that has nothing to do with you.

So I have to worry about offending you based on something that has nothing to do with you as an individual.

There's a difference between assuming something about someone based off something that's part of their identity and refusing to acknowledge their identity at all. Especially not because it's harder and you might make mistakes sometimes.

 

[Nakosis]

There's a difference between assuming something about someone based off something that's part of their identity and refusing to acknowledge their identity at all. Especially not because it's harder and you might make mistakes sometimes.

What is necessary in acknowledging a person's identity beyond that of being an individual human being. What purpose does it serve really?

 

[icehorse]

Back to the OP, here are some examples of true sentences that normal people might want to use, but will probably get called out for if they do:

- Healthcare costs are high partially because there are a lot of fat people.
- Most terrorism is due to Islamic ideology.
- Average IQs are lower for blacks than for whites.
- Being a single mother often leads to poverty.
- Very few members of the National Academy of Sciences believe in god.
- When given free choice, few women choose to be engineers.
- It's hard to prove that there is a pay gap because of gender.
- Alcohol is much more dangerous than marijuana.
- An unwanted grope is not as bad as rape.

And so on...

 

[ADigitalArtist]

What is necessary in acknowledging a person's identity beyond that of being an individual human being. What purpose does it serve really?

Okay I'm going to ask a question and you might be offended or not but I'm honestly curious, are you on the autism spectrum?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Back to the OP, here are some examples of true sentences that normal people might want to use, but will probably get called out for if they do:

- Healthcare costs are high partially because there are a lot of fat people.
- Most terrorism is due to Islamic ideology.
- Average IQs are lower for blacks than for whites.
- Being a single mother often leads to poverty.
- Very few members of the National Academy of Sciences believe in god.
- When given free choice, few women choose to be engineers.
- It's hard to prove that there is a pay gap because of gender.
- Alcohol is much more dangerous than marijuana.
- An unwanted grope is not as bad as rape.

And so on...

Except many of those are not true or very dubious at best. Once again, everyone thinks they are the ones being rational.

 

[icehorse]

Except many of those are not true or very dubious at best. Once again, everyone thinks they are the ones being rational.

specifics?

 

[leibowde84]

I suspect that many attenuate their criticisms of Palestinians for fear of being labeled Islamophobic.

I think this is very true. I also think the same applies to Palestine, obviously depending on what kind of community the person is living in. This is also true for people who are around ultra-Christians or Conservatives (who tend to support Israel no matter what).

 

[ADigitalArtist]

specifics?

Would hopelessly derail the thread and result in me being gishgalloped.

Suffice to say these arent self-evident truths any more that when a christian cites a study which says homosexuals are more promiscuous than heterosexuals or that atheists are less educated than Hindu, or that having sex before marriage leads to more divorce, or any number if things I could cite as 'truths.'

 

[Nakosis]

Okay I'm going to ask a question and you might be offended or not but I'm honestly curious, are you on the autism spectrum?

I wouldn't know having never been diagnosed as such. It at all, certainly functional enough not to raise any suspicions.

However, to bring forth a point, such a diagnoses would actually provide some information about me.

Say I identified as being Black or Jew or Transgendered. What information would any of that provide? Would you feel the need treat me any differently?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I live in DC, so the subject did come up quite a bit during the campaigns. But, it is only old white men (55+ years old) that complain, and I think it is all too obvious why. They grew up in a different time where things like sexism, racism, religionism, etc. were accepted as being normal/OK. Now, we have progressed as a society and don't tolerate offensive language. That is a good thing. We started calling people out for using stupid, hurtful language for no reason. Now old white men are upset.

And young white men who wish they had the privilege of being publicly bigoted and getting away with it.

 

[Revoltingest]

I live in DC, so the subject did come up quite a bit during the campaigns. But, it is only old white men (55+ years old) that complain, and I think it is all too obvious why. They grew up in a different time where things like sexism, racism, religionism, etc. were accepted as being normal/OK. Now, we have progressed as a society and don't tolerate offensive language. That is a good thing. We started calling people out for using stupid, hurtful language for no reason. Now old white men are upset.

What a racist, sexist & ageist post.
(At least you didn't go after religion or sexual preference.)

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I wouldn't know having never been diagnosed as such. It at all, certainly functional enough not to raise any suspicions.

However, to bring forth a point, such a diagnoses would actually provide some information about me.

Say I identified as being Black or Jew or Transgendered. What information would any of that provide? Would you feel the need treat me any differently?

I ask because being unable to process norms of social interaction is one of those signs. Not necessarily altered empathy, though that can be.

If you told me you identified as Jewish I'd ask if you observed dietary restrictions before offering you a ham sandwich. If you identified as trans I'd ask what pronoun you preferred. Being black doesn't necessarily immediately impart information but not all but a lot of black people in the US have a shared experience of overt and casual racism I'd listen and take seriously if they chose to talk about it with me
Is that different from your reaction?

 

[Curious George]

Idk: do you consider people who want to tell black jokes and/or want to compliment the waitress on her tits "regular" folks?

My point was that most the regular folks I know do not seem, at least to my awareness, to have stop themselves from this behavior. So either, people do secretly have this desire similar to this or it is something else. I am just trying to understand what it is?

 

[icehorse]

Would hopelessly derail the thread and result in me being gishgalloped.

Suffice to say these arent self-evident truths any more that when a christian cites a study which says homosexuals are more promiscuous than heterosexuals or that atheists are less educated than Hindu, or that having sex before marriage leads to more divorce, or any number if things I could cite as 'truths.'

By introducing "self-evident" you're shifting the goal posts. I never claimed "self evident".

And I have to say, I was honest enough to make very specific factual claims. Each of these claims is clear enough that it can be confirmed or refuted. Your response was vague, unprovable, and now you're not even going to back it up?

 

[Phantasman]

it is a mind control.

lol..,I agree.

African American might be PC, but either you're African or American. Lots of white people in South Africa.

It's just people playing with words to change ones view of the same thing. Sanitation workers are still picking up garbage. Changing the name doesn't make it smell any better.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

African American might be PC, but either you're African or American. Lots of white people in South Africa.

What a stupid thing to say.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

I hear everyone complain about PC. So much so that I took for granted that people were constantly dealing with having to monitor their speech in an attempt not to offend.

Now, however, I am wondering. What exactly is it that you cannot say? I guess I understand you wanting a safe space to speak freely because others are going to attack you for saying not so PC things. But I don't get what you want to say?

Could you please help me out here and explain. Please do not offer extremists who jump on people at the slightest hint of offense. We have all seen the youtube videos of extremists, spouting craziness, on boother sides of politics.

I am asking how regular folk are censoring their everyday speech because other regular folk are offended. Do you want to tell black jokes at the office? Do you want to compliment the waitress on her tits? If you could help me out I would appreciate it, because I am starting to think that people don't have to really change their speech at all and the whole thing is another instance of categorizing the left based on a small group of extremists. I am wondering, because the problem is certainly not presented like it is the extremists.

People often think being politically correct means to "play by the rules" or a code of etiquette where disrespect is not allowed. Here is what I tell people....If you hate being PC and want the so-called freedom to disrespect people do it, but don't be upset when the doctor has to wire your jaw shut because you popped off at the wrong person.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

lol..,I agree.

African American might be PC, but either you're African or American. Lots of white people in South Africa.

It's just people playing with words to change ones view of the same thing. Sanitation workers are still picking up garbage. Changing the name doesn't make it smell any better.

But African-Americans, myself included, believe the Dutch (as well as others including some arabs) are not indigenous to Africa. Their bloodline did not begin in Africa. Mines did, although I have an ad mixture of other ethnic groups, I resonate with the Africans in Africa due to the commonality of experiencing racism from so-called white supremacy. A Dutch or anyone whose ancestors had to move to Africa cannot relate to African diaspora, hell many cannot relate to the middle passage.

The term African-American is appropriate because for one, my skin pigmentation is literally not black, but chocolate brown. Two, I'm obvious colored but that is not my genus. Three, I trance my ethnic heritage to the people who were enslaved who belonged to the continent of Africa, the indigenous people. Not the Afrikaans, Portugese, British, French or any colonial power that came and raped the continent before if was named the term "Africa."

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Let me clock in to work I cannot wait to get on Stanyon's tail lol

 

[Sha'irullah]

I cannot accuse an obnoxious gay man of being a horrible human without people calling into question whether I like gays or not.

. . . by the way my answer is no.