Politically correct

[Aldrnari]

I'm not dismissing them, you just gotta treat them differently.

I guess for me it's better to get a feel first, but then again, sometimes the vibes we put out can seem different than what we think.

For example, most of the time people insult me at work, I get an immediate "just joking!" Or "I'm sorry!" Afterwords, by which I then reply with my best attempt at a scowl and a middle finger. I asked why they say sorry, but they say it's because I'm such a nice guy, and they feel bad. Go figure.

 

[Quagmire]

I hear everyone complain about PC. So much so that I took for granted that people were constantly dealing with having to monitor their speech in an attempt not to offend.

Now, however, I am wondering. What exactly is it that you cannot say? I guess I understand you wanting a safe space to speak freely because others are going to attack you for saying not so PC things. But I don't get what you want to say?

Could you please help me out here and explain. Please do not offer extremists who jump on people at the slightest hint of offense. We have all seen the youtube videos of extremists, spouting craziness, on boother sides of politics.

I am asking how regular folk are censoring their everyday speech because other regular folk are offended. Do you want to tell black jokes at the office? Do you want to compliment the waitress on her tits? If you could help me out I would appreciate it, because I am starting to think that people don't have to really change their speech at all and the whole thing is another instance of categorizing the left based on a small group of extremists. I am wondering, because the problem is certainly not presented like it is the extremists.

Idk: do you consider people who want to tell black jokes and/or want to compliment the waitress on her tits "regular" folks?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I've heard the term politically correct originates from the Soviet Union.

This is not correct and ironically promotes the same propagandic tactic it's supposedly trying to criticize.
The first use of pc was in a supreme court case about actual political law. The first modern use was by two conservative authors writing about American universities and changing views of moral traditionalism in arts and the humanities.

 

[74x12]

This is not correct and ironically promotes the same propagandic tactic it's supposedly trying to criticize.
The first use of pc was in a supreme court case about actual political law. The first modern use was by two conservative authors writing about American universities and changing views of moral traditionalism in arts and the humanities.

Right the term itself. However the idea behind the term is older than that.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Right the term itself. However the idea behind the term is older than that.

Since you said "the term politically correct originates" I replied to that. But yes, the idea of changing sociopolitical climates and reactionary traditionalism at various levels is as old as human civilization, no doubt.

 

[74x12]

Since you said "the term politically correct originates" I replied to that. But yes, the idea of changing sociopolitical climates and reactionary traditionalism at various levels is as old as human civilization, no doubt.

And I said you were right. Good that you agree the idea itself is older.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Only white people can be stupid, racist, and bigoted? What bubble are you living in or do you just have an agenda to please.

Now, right there is some of that political correctness crap.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

To me Christmas is a secular holiday. It has no religious significance to me at all. So I said merry Christmas to a Jewish acquaintance of mine. He got offended.

You were being literally thoughtless. Your 'acquaintance' may have had reason to be surprised at this thoughtlessness but I see little call for offense.

So he let me know he is Jewish and has to be treated differently because he is Jewish.

Or. perhaps, he'd prefer that you treat both your Jewish and your Christian acquaintances thoughtfully.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Once upon a time in the U.S. any white man could slander any black person, or any gay person, anyone from a foreign "sh*thole country", and do so in public. And even if some of the people who heard his remarks found them both stupid and harmful, they rarely would dare to express their contempt.

Now, however, social dynamics have changed, and the people who find these comments stupid and harmful will likely say so, out loud, and to the person spewing the remarks. Which is exactly as it should be, and should have always been.

But the end result of this social change is that the automatic privilege that white people (mostly men) used to enjoy when speaking their minds in public, is gone. And now they are being held accountable for their foolish and harmful slander of others, by those members of the public that find it contemptible. And this public reaction to privileged bigotry has for some odd reason been labeled "political correctness". Which was an odd choice of label, since what it really is, is a new and vocal public scrutiny and criticism of a bigoted status quo.

And people keep mistreating people in new ways through each sweeping change of social mores, it seems to me.

 

[Nakosis]

You were being literally thoughtless. Your 'acquaintance' may have had reason to be surprised at this thoughtlessness but I see little call for offense.

Exactly, no thought given to it whatsoever.

Or. perhaps, he'd prefer that you treat both your Jewish and your Christian acquaintances thoughtfully.

Right, I got to give thought to people's "artificial" differences. I mean don't see people as being different as far as needing any differential treatment, but since they see themselves as different, I got to think about them as being different. Thinking like that is just not natural for me.

 

[Notanumber]

Political correctness is dangerous when it prevents justice from being done and from being seen to be done.

 

[Shad]

I am asking how regular folk are censoring their everyday speech because other regular folk are offended. Do you want to tell black jokes at the office? Do you want to compliment the waitress on her tits? If you could help me out I would appreciate it, because I am starting to think that people don't have to really change their speech at all and the whole thing is another instance of categorizing the left based on a small group of extremists. I am wondering, because the problem is certainly not presented like it is the extremists.

Social media is the issue. It has blurred the dynamics which dictated how we formed social circle. Privacy does not exist on FB or Twitter but people still act like it does as if in personal conversations. It causes speech to propagate in a different manner than vocal communication. This can result in people not only gaining knowledge of something offensive to them but is also the medium by which extremists can use to grind an axe so to speak. Social media's use of networks makes it easier for people to be tracked. So random strangers can find out who the offender is, find details about their lives, use that information against them, etc. Laws are lacking when it comes to harassment of that form.

(TLDR) Sloppy internet practices, abuse of the mediums, and lacking laws which cover all forms of harassment on the internet

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Exactly, no thought given to it whatsoever.

Right, I got to give thought to people's "artificial" differences. I mean don't see people as being different as far as needing any differential treatment, but since they see themselves as different, I got to think about them as being different. Thinking like that is just not natural for me.

No, you don't have to be considerate at all. You can simply whine.

 

[Nakosis]

There is no perfect and utterly objective method of analysis and judgment at the basis of political correctness. What is suppressed depends on which beliefs and dogmas become popular among a large or powerful portion of the population sufficient to wield a strong influence over political discourse and social behavior. This means that politically correct censorship has the potential to be applied to any ideas, information, opinions, or form of expression at all. This includes truthful statements and disagreements made on grounds of legitimate disagreement, not merely hate or delight in aggravating others.

The Dangerous Side of Political Correctness

 

[Nakosis]

No, you don't have to be considerate at all. You can simply whine.

That's true but not very helpful in dealing with folks who because of their political identities feel disadvantaged.

That's ok, but as I mentioned in another post, it's like a minefield. You can't be certain of what political identity or disadvantages that come package with that identity you might step on.

Unfortunately the result being the need to limit interaction with folks because of PC.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

There is no perfect and utterly objective method of analysis and judgment at the basis of political correctness. What is suppressed depends on which beliefs and dogmas become popular among a large or powerful portion of the population sufficient to wield a strong influence over political discourse and social behavior. This means that politically correct censorship has the potential to be applied to any ideas, information, opinions, or form of expression at all. This includes truthful statements and disagreements made on grounds of legitimate disagreement, not merely hate or delight in aggravating others.

The Dangerous Side of Political Correctness

Everyone believes their disagreement is legitimate, not hateful or aggressive, and truthful. It's true that what society deems hateful is subjective, and we should try our best to weigh the pros and cons of a viewpoint before judging, but suspending society's criticism would be as much censorship as what they're claiming is being done by a pc society.

 

[Nakosis]

Everyone believes their disagreement is legitimate, not hateful or aggressive, and truthful. It's true that what society deems hateful is subjective, and we should try our best to weigh the pros and cons of a viewpoint before judging, but suspending society's criticism would be as much censorship as what they're claiming is being done by a pc society.

I like to deal with people as individuals, not political identities, because I feel political identities are completely irrelevant.

I don't want to be considerate of your religion, gender, race or whatever "groupness" a person might feel the need to identify with.

For example, say you're a Christian. What does that actually say about you? Nothing, absolutely nothing. Does it make you a good person, a bad person? Does it make you trustworthy? Does it make you smarter or less smart.

The only thing it might do is if I held any biases or prejudice. I might judge you based on something that has nothing to do with you.

So I have to worry about offending you based on something that has nothing to do with you as an individual.

 

[leibowde84]

it is a mind control.

What is a mind control? Please explain what you mean specifically.

 

[leibowde84]

I hear everyone complain about PC. So much so that I took for granted that people were constantly dealing with having to monitor their speech in an attempt not to offend.

Now, however, I am wondering. What exactly is it that you cannot say? I guess I understand you wanting a safe space to speak freely because others are going to attack you for saying not so PC things. But I don't get what you want to say?

Could you please help me out here and explain. Please do not offer extremists who jump on people at the slightest hint of offense. We have all seen the youtube videos of extremists, spouting craziness, on boother sides of politics.

I am asking how regular folk are censoring their everyday speech because other regular folk are offended. Do you want to tell black jokes at the office? Do you want to compliment the waitress on her tits? If you could help me out I would appreciate it, because I am starting to think that people don't have to really change their speech at all and the whole thing is another instance of categorizing the left based on a small group of extremists. I am wondering, because the problem is certainly not presented like it is the extremists.

I live in DC, so the subject did come up quite a bit during the campaigns. But, it is only old white men (55+ years old) that complain, and I think it is all too obvious why. They grew up in a different time where things like sexism, racism, religionism, etc. were accepted as being normal/OK. Now, we have progressed as a society and don't tolerate offensive language. That is a good thing. We started calling people out for using stupid, hurtful language for no reason. Now old white men are upset.

 

[icehorse]

I suspect that many attenuate their criticism of Israel for fear of being labeled antisemitic.

I suspect that many attenuate their criticisms of Palestinians for fear of being labeled Islamophobic.