Poll: Churchill Statue

[Jayhawker Soule]

Winston Churchill had the same attitude to race as a vast majority of his generation.[

That is not a good thing.

 

[oldbadger]

That is not a good thing.

Huh?
Them Egyptians!
Bloomin' slave keepers.

When are we knocking down those pyramids?

 

[wellwisher]

Statues to the past help us remember history in the context of the actual times. Those who wish these artifacts to be removed try to engage in revisionist history. They try to judge the past, by the present, and thereby alter history in an irrational way. This changing of the past allows the fools to repeat the mistakes of the past.

A good example is Socialism This has not worked but have resulted in some of the worse human atrocities in history. The left has tried to revise this past and pretend socialism is now new and improved so they can make the same mistakes. The leaders seem to enjoy the control they have over the ignorant.

In the USA, the left wants to remove statues to Confederate War heroes. This is part of a larger revisionist history scam The problem is a war hero is a solider, while a good solider, who gets a monument follows orders, These orders come from his political leaders. These politicians and orders for these soldiers who got statues, came from the Democrat party, which was the party of slavery.

Picture if the Nazi party had survived after WW2, like the Democrats did in the USA, and was still one of the two top political parties in Germany. Removing statues would be a way to alter past so they can rise again. The Democrats of today do not wish anyone to make that reality connection of their past, so they are trying to hide it.

We need to get rid of the Democrat party and leave the statue to those who were ordered to engage in Democrat party atrocities. This way we remember the past ands not repeat it.

 

[oldbadger]

Out of curiosity: why don't you see a problem with the statues?

Is it that you think that people like Edward Colston and Winston Churchill are worth honouring, or is it that you agree they were bad people but - for whatever reason - you don't want to remove statues once they've been installed?

Or another way of putting it: say that Churchill and Colston had never gotten their statues and someone put forward a plan to design, build and installl these statues now. Would you support this plan?

Churchill?
No problem to honour his memory.
No matter his faults, I would be living in Naziland now, but for his bloody minded steadfastness.

Think of the Jews, gays, JWs, gypsies, blacks, masons, disabled that are living here today whose grandparents would have died if Hitler had over run us.

Meh. I like him.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I wouldn't support a statue for colston no but I would for Churchill,same for Nelson,Boudicca,these are all important parts of our history and see no harm in them.

What's the issue people raise with Boudicca (other than the fact that she was a monarch)?

 

[oldbadger]

Statues to the past help us remember history in the context of the actual times. Those who wish these artifacts to be removed try to engage in revisionist history. They try to judge the past, by the present, and thereby alter history in an irrational way. This changing of the past allows the fools to repeat the mistakes of the past.

A good example is Socialism This has not worked but have resulted in some of the worse human atrocities in history. The left has tried to revise this past and pretend socialism is now new and improved so they can make the same mistakes. The leaders seem to enjoy the control they have over the ignorant.

In the USA, the left wants to remove statues to Confederate War heroes. This is part of a larger revisionist history scam The problem is a war hero is a solider, while a good solider, who gets a monument follows orders, These orders come from his political leaders. These politicians and orders for these soldiers who got statues, came from the Democrat party, which was the party of slavery.

Picture if the Nazi party had survived after WW2, like the Democrats did in the USA, and was still one of the two top political parties in Germany. Removing statues would be a way to alter past so they can rise again. The Democrats of today do not wish anyone to make that reality connection of their past, so they are trying to hide it.

We need to get rid of the Democrat party and leave the statue to those who were ordered to engage in Democrat party atrocities. This way we remember the past ands not repeat it.

I think you've muddled up your Right and your Left.
We need our moderate left more than ever before now.

And Hitler was a Nazi, a Fascist... A right winger.

 

[Secret Chief]

Statues to the past help us remember history in the context of the actual times. Those who wish these artifacts to be removed try to engage in revisionist history. They try to judge the past, by the present, and thereby alter history in an irrational way. This changing of the past allows the fools to repeat the mistakes of the past.

A good example is Socialism This has not worked but have resulted in some of the worse human atrocities in history. The left has tried to revise this past and pretend socialism is now new and improved so they can make the same mistakes. The leaders seem to enjoy the control they have over the ignorant.

In the USA, the left wants to remove statues to Confederate War heroes. This is part of a larger revisionist history scam The problem is a war hero is a solider, while a good solider, who gets a monument follows orders, These orders come from his political leaders. These politicians and orders for these soldiers who got statues, came from the Democrat party, which was the party of slavery.

Picture if the Nazi party had survived after WW2, like the Democrats did in the USA, and was still one of the two top political parties in Germany. Removing statues would be a way to alter past so they can rise again. The Democrats of today do not wish anyone to make that reality connection of their past, so they are trying to hide it.

We need to get rid of the Democrat party and leave the statue to those who were ordered to engage in Democrat party atrocities. This way we remember the past ands not repeat it.

Shoehorn of the day.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

In the USA, the left wants to remove statues to Confederate War heroes.

None of the Confederate generals depicted as statues are heroes.

 

[Notanumber]

So you can't explain.

Nigel is prepared to stand up and speak the truth and the truth can hurt.

He lost his job because he has principles and sticks by them.

Thinking that all lives matter is not good enough for these activists.

Mob rule is not the answer.

Everyone should be treated fairly and equally.

 

[Notanumber]

He has not been silenced.
This is down to capitalism; your show is only as good as the advertising it attracts.
After his recent anti-BLM comments numerous of the stations advertisers have asked for their adverts not to be played during Farage's show.

Market forces dear boy

If I asked you for a source, it would probably be from the Guardian or the Independent.

LBC are bound to use that excuse because they would not want the truth to come out.

 

[Notanumber]

Sure. But certainly statues are the least important part when it comes down to passing down history.

Statues are the start but where does it end?

Much wants more!

 

[England my lionheart]

Her family and tribe the iceni owned slaves,in fact they supplied Rome with slaves and we're we're the status of allies of time,when her father the king died they took all their land from them.

 

[Altfish]

If I asked you for a source, it would probably be from the Guardian or the Independent.

LBC are bound to use that excuse because they would not want the truth to come out.

You'll see my source when I get my 10 Benefits of Brexit

 

[Notanumber]

You'll see my source when I get my 10 Benefits of Brexit

You are in the wrong thread if you want to discuss Brexit.

 

[Altfish]

You are in the wrong thread if you want to discuss Brexit.

But another thread in which you demand answers but refuse to give any yourself

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Statues are the start but where does it end?

Much wants more!

Sure. What's wrong with trying to make the world better?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Sure. What's wrong with trying to make the world better?

Well, for one, it flies in the face of Trump's agenda and is anathema to his basket of deplorables.

 

[Mock Turtle]

We have plenty of statues for poets and composers over here in Vienna. They don't get to sit on their high horse crushing peasants/uppity natives/labor movements though, which may disappoint some.

We probably have a few too but it might be difficult to locate them - given that the colonising ethos was dominant for so long.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

That is not a good thing.

Huh?
Them Egyptians!
Bloomin' slave keepers.

When are we knocking down those pyramids?

I assume that your attempted humor had something to do with me being Jewish and even more to do with you being ignorance of Egypt's history In any event, we're talking about getting rid of the statue, not the War Rooms.

 

[Mock Turtle]

I see no problem with statues,it's just history,most cities have them and some are magnificent,I think people have gone overboard with this.

Perhaps the main thing about this, apart from the slavery issue, is that many of those so acclaimed were often done on the distorted perspectives of their time - such that why would we want to continue such? We do live in dynamic societies, so should expect changing values to influence how we deal with such things.