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[SkepticThinker]

Not when the hard facts stand that the so called 'experts' can't even be remotely accurate with their supposed scientific predictions.

They've made a ton of accurate claims, as demonstrated by several other posters in the thread.
You aren't aware of them, probably because you reference biased right-wing internet rags for your "information" rather than looking to reliable and scientific sources for that information. (Hence my comment.)

Sorry but that "list" you gave us from 1997 from a non-scientific source is trash.

 

[Twilight Hue]

They've made a ton of accurate claims, as demonstrated by several other posters in the thread.
You aren't aware of them, probably because you reference biased right-wing internet rags for your "information" rather than looking to reliable and scientific sources for that information. (Hence my comment.)

Sorry but that "list" you gave us from 1997 from a non-scientific source is trash.

Bs.

I cited a government source on this thread.

Maybe you need glasses.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Bs.

I cited a government source on this thread.

Maybe you need glasses.

No, you didn't. At least when I clicked on your link I did not get a government source. Nor did anyone else it seems.

I got a "wattsupwiththat" article. I know that this may be hard to believe, but that is not a government source.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Bs.

I cited a government source on this thread.

Maybe you need glasses.

I think you do.

You cited a bogus list from "Watt's Up With That?"
Is that what they're calling the government these days?

 

[Twilight Hue]

I think you do.

You cited a bogus list from "Watt's Up With That?"
Is that what they're calling the government these days?

Apparently you don't read URLs.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Apparently you don't read URLs.

I double checked your source. The first page is corrupted. It does have a wattsupwiththat page on top of the pdf. That shows that whoever made that was incompetent. It does not support your claim. even if you go past that. All that it consists of are a series of quote mines without context. That is a political document, not a government one. Please learn the difference. It is not science based at all.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I double checked your source. The first page is corrupted. It does have a wattsupwiththat page on top of the pdf. That shows that whoever made that was incompetent. It does not support your claim. even if you go past that. All that it consists of are a series of quote mines without context. That is a political document, not a government one. Please learn the difference. It is not science based at all.

Your opinion.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Apparently you don't read URLs.

Apparently you didn't scroll down the page and look around.

I just got new glasses yesterday. This is what I'm looking at:

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Reader “Sasha” responding to Jeff Alberts in comments provided a large list that I thought was worth sharing.
Submitted on 2014/04/02 at 8:37 am
The question wasn’t “what do people think is caused by global warming”, but “what was predicted by scientists and activists 25 years ago that would be a result of global
warming.” Big difference.
OK. Hang on to your hat!
The original post was asking for a list of failed climate predictions, so here are 107:
FAILED CLIMATE PREDICTIONS (and some related stupid sayings)
1. “Due to global warming, the coming winters in the local regions will become milder.”
Stefan Rahmstorf, Potsdam Institute of Climate Impact Research, University of Potsdam, February 8, 2006
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2. “Milder winters, drier summers: Climate study shows a need to adapt in Saxony Anhalt.”
Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research, Press Release, January 10, 2010.
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3. “More heat waves, no snow in the winter… Climate models… over 20 times more precise than the UN IPCC global models. In no other country do we have more
precise calculations of climate consequences. They should form the basis for political planning… Temperatures in the wintertime will rise the most… there will be less
cold air coming to Central Europe from the east…In the Alps winters will be 2°C warmer already between 2021 and 2050.”
Max Planck Institute for Meteorology, Hamburg, September 2, 2008.
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4. “The new Germany will be characterized by dry-hot summers and warm-wet winters.”
Wilhelm Gerstengarbe and Peter Werner, Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (PIK), March 2, 2007
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Basically, just a jumbled mess. It's like, a page superimposed onto another page or something.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Your opinion.

No. fact.

But since you say that whenever you have been shown to be wrong I will simply thank you for admitting that you were wrong in the future if that is all that you have.

Did you not see the stupid wattsupwiththat overly in blue on that page?

I know that others will say yes.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Apparently you didn't scroll down the page and look around.

I just got new glasses yesterday. This is what I'm looking at:

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Reader “Sasha” responding to Jeff Alberts in comments provided a large list that I thought was worth sharing.
Submitted on 2014/04/02 at 8:37 am
The question wasn’t “what do people think is caused by global warming”, but “what was predicted by scientists and activists 25 years ago that would be a result of global
warming.” Big difference.
OK. Hang on to your hat!
The original post was asking for a list of failed climate predictions, so here are 107:
FAILED CLIMATE PREDICTIONS (and some related stupid sayings)
1. “Due to global warming, the coming winters in the local regions will become milder.”
Stefan Rahmstorf, Potsdam Institute of Climate Impact Research, University of Potsdam, February 8, 2006
****
2. “Milder winters, drier summers: Climate study shows a need to adapt in Saxony Anhalt.”
Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research, Press Release, January 10, 2010.
****
3. “More heat waves, no snow in the winter… Climate models… over 20 times more precise than the UN IPCC global models. In no other country do we have more
precise calculations of climate consequences. They should form the basis for political planning… Temperatures in the wintertime will rise the most… there will be less
cold air coming to Central Europe from the east…In the Alps winters will be 2°C warmer already between 2021 and 2050.”
Max Planck Institute for Meteorology, Hamburg, September 2, 2008.
****
4. “The new Germany will be characterized by dry-hot summers and warm-wet winters.”
Wilhelm Gerstengarbe and Peter Werner, Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (PIK), March 2, 2007
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Great Lakes Water Levels are falling
Climate Change Will Increase the Number and Severity of Tornadoes
Increasing Strength and Frequency of Hurricanes?
Climate Change is Causing Floods
Climate Change and Crop Production
Climate Change Increases Drought
Coral Reefs are Dying Because of Climate Change
Water Levels – Lake Tahoe
Coal Pollution Can Be Seen Pouring From Power Plant Smokestacks
Oceans, Sea Level, and Ice
Antarctic Ice Melt
Greenland Ice

Basically, just a jumbled mess. It's like, a page superimposed onto another page or something.

Scroll down and you will see a bunch of quote mines. As if that proves anything.

 

[England my lionheart]

As is NOAA, the NAS, Scientific American, etc.

It’s as plain as the nose on peoples faces,it’s that obvious but ignored by the people that matter unfortunately.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Scroll down and you will see a bunch of quote mines. As if that proves anything.

Oh okay. I think I found one under the weird blue text ...

“We’ve mostly had mild winters in which only a few cold months were scattered about, like January 2009. This winter is a cold outlier, but that doesn’t change the
picture as a whole. Generally it’s going to get warmer, also in the wintertime.”
Gerhard Müller-Westermeier, German Weather Service (DWD), 26 Jan 2010


I can't seem to find any source for it though.
Wait! I found it on a Facebook meme.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Oh okay. I think I found one under the weird blue text ...

“We’ve mostly had mild winters in which only a few cold months were scattered about, like January 2009. This winter is a cold outlier, but that doesn’t change the
picture as a whole. Generally it’s going to get warmer, also in the wintertime.”
Gerhard Müller-Westermeier, German Weather Service (DWD), 26 Jan 2010


I can't seem to find any source for it though.
Wait! I found it on a Facebook meme.

To be a valid quote and to support your argument it has to reflect a failure of predictions of the experts in the field and we need its context. Quoting out of context used to be a favorite of creationists. It is a form of lying. Lying by omission. For example the quote of Darwin where he appears to admit that the evolution of the eye appears to be ridiculous. That was a quote mine because he spends the next two pages showing why it is not ridiculous.

In this case it is a double failure by the science deniers. Winters are getting warmer on the average. Do you remember the quote and link that I gave that showed the trend in record highs and lows? Far fewer record lows each year indicates a warming climate. But even if it seemed to support you without context to verify that the meaning had not been changed the quote is worthless.

 

[shunyadragon]

Since I have never rejected “NASA scientists” your comment makes no sense whatsoever. Nice attempt to change the subject. I repeat my original question which you have failed to answer, “How come a lot of people that can’t even control something merely manmade like the economy want to claim they can ‘fix’ the climate?”

It is not 'merely' manmade. Regardless of conspiracies, and claims using charts and graphs no one can 'fix' human-caused Global Warming, but the impact can be reduced by many ways..

Though the Republican Party stands as a wall against any efforts to reduce the problem.

 

[metis]

Do you think Biden really cares about climate change when he made tons of money off fossil fuel investments?

I googled that claim and only found one source and it is from Fox, which is a source I simply do not trust. Even if he had received some in the past, today is today.

Or how about all the members of the World Economic Forum who gather to talk about climate change ideas to impose on people/countries, yet they fly around the world in their private jets or live in coastal estates; do they actually care or believe the science?

Sorry, but no one that I know is claiming that we all can't travel.

Thus, the question is do you really "actually care or believe the science"? If not, where do you get your information from?

 

[metis]

That doesn’t answer my question.

Since you are an educator, maybe do the research from scientific sources, not political. Check out some of the agencies I listed that actually do and/or report the studies.

Here, as this links you to numerous sources: Climate change - Wikipedia

 

[metis]

It’s as plain as the nose on peoples faces,it’s that obvious but ignored by the people that matter unfortunately.

Absolutely, but what all so many have done is to rely on political sources that have an agenda, and Fox is overwhelmingly the worst of the major networks.

 

[Shaul]

It is not 'merely' manmade. Regardless of conspiracies, and claims using charts and graphs no one can 'fix' human-caused Global Warming, but the impact can be reduced by many ways..

Though the Republican Party stands as a wall against any efforts to reduce the problem.

You seem to have misread what I wrote. I wrote that the economy was merely manmade, not that the concept of anthropogenic climate change was. Please read things more carefully.

The Republican Party platform states,
“Conservation is inherent in conservatism. As the pioneer of environmentalism a century ago, the Republican Party reaffirms the moral obligation to be good stewards of the God-given natural beauty and resources of our country. We believe that people are the most valuable resources and that human health and safety are the proper measurements of a policy's success. We assert that private ownership has been the best guarantee of conscientious stewardship, while some of the worst instances of degradation have occurred under government control. Poverty, not wealth, is the gravest threat to the environment, while steady economic growth brings the technological advances which make environmental progress possible.

The environment is too important to be left to radical environmentalists. They are using yesterday's tools to control a future they do not comprehend.”

 

[England my lionheart]

Absolutely, but what all so many have done is to rely on political sources that have an agenda, and Fox is overwhelmingly the worst of the major networks.

Fox is ludicrously bias to a point that it’s like watching a black comedy,I can’t get my head around how gullible people are who watch and take in what they say.

 

[metis]

Fox is ludicrously bias to a point that it’s like watching a black comedy,I can’t get my head around how gullible people are who watch and take in what they say.

And I hate to say this but often you can tell some of Fox's followers here at RF based on some of their "alternative facts" that they blindly have swallowed and then parroted.