Poll: Global Warming?

[Shaul]

Perhaps because they are entirely non-comparable.

That statement is false. Entirely non-comparable?? Nice try.

 

[InChrist]

Politicians will always do that. The problem is that the Republicans at this point are so stupid, and I could not think of a more polite word, that they cannot play that game.

AGW is a fact. There is no denying that it is a significant threat to man. It won't cause our extinction but it could lead to a series of wars and other woes. The Republicans, if they had half a brain, would be coming up with their own plans to fight global warming so that they too could sneak in their own political goals. Instead they act like the kids that failed all of their science classes in middle school..

I basically agree with you that the Republicans are stupid, but I think the Democrats are just as stupid, maybe even worse deceptive. They come across as caring about the environment, poverty or whatever when in reality they just use the issues to implement policies which bring themselves more power or financial gain.

 

[shunyadragon]

You mean like the private jets bureaucrats use to fly to climate conferences?

Yes, people attend climate conferences in private and public jets, but NO, Republicans take the extreme position of rejecting all climate legislation and even the reality of Global Warming

No, you have failed to respond to my post in with a biased perspective. Please respond in its entirety!

 

[sayak83]

You mean like the private jets bureaucrats use to fly to climate conferences?

The solution is not to stop using jets or even private jets. The solution is to invest in decarbonising the airline industry.
World leaders should use private jets as it saves time and provides security. Rejection of modern technology is never the answer, the answer is always to use ways to encourage upgradation to even better technology.
Like this

Rolls-Royce Wants to Use Hydrogen to Fuel the Planes of Tomorrow

 

[shunyadragon]

I basically agree with you that the Republicans are stupid, but I think the Democrats are just as stupid, maybe even worse deceptive. They come across as caring about the environment, poverty or whatever when in reality they just use the issues to implement policies which bring themselves more power or financial gain.

Please respond to my post concerning the Republicans and the Trump Administration The heaviest driver for power and financial gain is the Republicans like his Gravy Train Tax Breaks for his wealthy cronies. The Democrats voted against this 'Gravy Train Tax break for the wealthy.

Still waiting for your coherent response.

 

[Secret Chief]

That statement is false. Entirely non-comparable?? Nice try.

Thanks but I know it's a pointless exercise. You or NASA scientists? Hmmmm it's a tough one.

 

[InChrist]

Please respond to my post concerning the Republicans and the Trump Administration The heaviest driver for power and financial gain is the Republicans like his Gravy Train Tax Breaks for his wealthy cronies. The Democrats voted against this 'Gravy Train Tax break for the wealthy.

Still waiting for your coherent response.

My response is that I think public officials pushing policies for personal gain for themselves or their cronies is wrong whether its done by Republicans, Trump, Democrats, Biden or whoever.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Facts? Or ideas that are designed to control how you live?
Of course the internet is overwhelmingly biased towards certain agendas.

What would those be and how did "the internet" manage to do that?

 

[Shaul]

Yes, people attend climate conferences in private and public jets, but NO, Republicans take the extreme position of rejecting all climate legislation and even the reality of Global Warming

No, you have failed to respond to my post in with a biased perspective. Please respond in its entirety!

Is that why the Republicans created the Environmental Protection Agency?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Bjorn Lomborg

Why are you citing a political scientist on matters of climate change?

 

[SkepticThinker]

It's always been political from the start. Will be to the very end I suppose.

Try reading some actual science rather than the internet rags you keep citing.
That's why you think this is political.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I basically agree with you that the Republicans are stupid, but I think the Democrats are just as stupid, maybe even worse deceptive. They come across as caring about the environment, poverty or whatever when in reality they just use the issues to implement policies which bring themselves more power or financial gain.

I would like to understand how their policies enrich them. I am not saying that it is not possible, but it looks right now that the Republicans are only interested in protecting the wealth of the wealthy. All sorts of lower class Republicans foolishly think that they are being protected too.

 

[shunyadragon]

Is that why the Republicans created the Environmental Protection Agency?

It was not the Republicans alone but cooperation with Democrats. That was the Republicans of another ERA. The Republicans of the past in cooperation with the Democrats Created the Medicare/Medicaid system, but recent efforts by the current Republicans tried to appeal it as unconstitutional.

An accurate view of the history of the change in the Republican Party is necessary. I and my family were previously moderate Republicans. There is no place for us now,

 

[shunyadragon]

My response is that I think public officials pushing policies for personal gain for themselves or their cronies is wrong whether its done by Republicans, Trump, Democrats, Biden or whoever.

Your previous posts were extremely unbalanced toward the Republicans, and you still need to clarify and respond to my post on the radical extremes of the Republicans and association with crank conspiracies like QAnon.

No response on the issue of the Republican 'Gravy Trin' opposed by the Democrats.

Your previous posts were an unbalance assassination of the Democrats.

Again please respond to my specific posts..

The point can be documented beyond any reasonable doubt if you like. The Republicans have an extreme anti-science agenda in recent years.

 

[Shaul]

Thanks but I know it's a pointless exercise. You or NASA scientists? Hmmmm it's a tough one.

Since I have never rejected “NASA scientists” your comment makes no sense whatsoever. Nice attempt to change the subject. I repeat my original question which you have failed to answer, “How come a lot of people that can’t even control something merely manmade like the economy want to claim they can ‘fix’ the climate?”

 

[SkepticThinker]

How come a lot of people that can’t even control something merely manmade like the economy want to claim they can “fix” the climate?

Rebuilding the ozone layer: how the world came together for the ultimate repair job.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Why are you citing a political scientist on matters of climate change?

Excellent point. He claimed to have a "peer reviewed paper". That appears to be highly doubtful. In Denmark they take scientific claims rather seriously. He was charged with scientific dishonesty but he managed to get the ruling set aside. Then his work was later analyzed more and the original findings were substantiated. Too late to do any official good, but he has been shown to be at least wrong scientifically:

Bjørn Lomborg - Wikipedia

It is pretty sad when your best example has been shown to be openly dishonest.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Since I have never rejected “NASA scientists” your comment makes no sense whatsoever. Nice attempt to change the subject. I repeat my original question which you have failed to answer, “How come a lot of people that can’t even control something merely manmade like the economy want to claim they can ‘fix’ the climate?”

The climate is much easier to understand than economics. You may be conflating weather and climate. Those are two different things.


Scientists understand what causes warming. Almost anyone can understand the basics if they try but to date all science deniers have refused to learn when I have offered to go over the basics with them That should immediately ring alarm bells. Why would an honest person be afraid to learn?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Excellent point. He claimed to have a "peer reviewed paper". That appears to be highly doubtful. In Denmark they take scientific claims rather seriously. He was charged with scientific dishonesty but he managed to get the ruling set aside. Then his work was later analyzed more and the original findings were substantiated. Too late to do any official good, but he has been shown to be at least wrong scientifically:

Bjørn Lomborg - Wikipedia

It is pretty sad when your best example has been shown to be openly dishonest.

I found this part rather interesting ...

"After the publication of The Skeptical Environmentalist, Lomborg was formally accused of scientific dishonesty by a group of environmental scientists, who brought a total of three complaints against him to the Danish Committees on Scientific Dishonesty (DCSD), a body under Denmark's Ministry of Science, Technology and Innovation (MSTI). Lomborg was asked whether he regarded the book as a "debate" publication, and thereby not under the purview of the DCSD, or as a scientific work; he chose the latter, clearing the way for the inquiry that followed.[9] The charges claimed that The Skeptical Environmentalist contained deliberately misleading data and flawed conclusions. Due to the similarity of the complaints, the DCSD decided to proceed on the three cases under one investigation.

In January 2003, the DCSD released a ruling that sent a mixed message, finding the book to be scientifically dishonest through misrepresentation of scientific facts, but Lomborg himself not guilty due to his lack of expertise in the fields in question.[43] That February, Lomborg filed a complaint against the decision with the MSTI, which had oversight over the DCSD. In December, 2003, the Ministry annulled the DCSD decision, citing procedural errors, including lack of documentation of errors in the book, and asked the DCSD to re-examine the case. In March 2004, the DCSD formally decided not to act further on the complaints, reasoning that renewed scrutiny would, in all likelihood, result in the same conclusion.[9][44]"

 

[Twilight Hue]

Try reading some actual science rather than the internet rags you keep citing.
That's why you think this is political.

Not when the hard facts stand that the so called 'experts' can't even be remotely accurate with their supposed scientific predictions.

Try looking at some facts rather than the theorised fluff that is spouted from so called predictive science articles.