Poll: Global Warming?

[stvdv]

I am willing to make a point-by-point dialogue concerning the nature of science as science, and none political or religious relationship concerning any issue such as Global Warming, Evolution, Cosmology, Pandemic/Virus issues, or any other science-related issue.

Thank you, I appreciate your offer. I think it all works out by itself. I came across some info, that made me doubt sincerity and truthfulness of many politici and a few scientists, that's all.

I think most scientists are truly dedicated to science and truth, and there will be always a few rotten apples, but sadly those mess it up for the others (like ISIS terrorists messes things up for true Muslims), esp. if they have connections with influential people and loads of money is involved

 

[shunyadragon]

How come a lot of people that can’t even control something merely manmade like the economy want to claim they can “fix” the climate?

Fallible human selfish nature is a barrier to fixing the climate. At present is like standing in front of a freight train and asking it to stop.

Global Warming is an unavoidable reality due to the energy (needs?) desires of our overpopulated planet climate regardless of the graphs, and idealistic claims of a solution. As the matter of fact, math determines that we will warm beyond many expectations of graph manipulators.

 

[stvdv]

How come a lot of people that can’t even control something merely manmade like the economy want to claim they can “fix” the climate?

They not even control their own senses

Grandiose feeling
or
more simple, pointing at others, trying to change others is way easier than changing oneself, and therefore a convenient excuse to not work on themself

 

[F1fan]

How come a lot of people that can’t even control something merely manmade like the economy want to claim they can “fix” the climate?

The economy can be controlled to some degree, that is why the Fed adjusted the interest rate up a fraction of a percent. This has an effect on the economy. Perhaps you are confusing the speed of the effect. Many seem to want immediate effects in changes they want. The climate is a very slow thing. Economies are very slow things.

The disturbing fact is how right wing people deny the science, deny there's a problem, deny that humans are part of the cause, or accept that humans are part of the cause but we cannot do anything about it, on and on nay sayers who prefer their own narrow narrative that ignores experts. The real troubling thing is how many conservatives don't seem to think the average person should, or could, do things as a sacrifice to help climate change. Drive less. Lower thermostats. Weatherproof houses. Avoid disinformation. There's this sense of privilege, as if life should be whatever we want it to be, and there should be no consequences for it. That's absurd, and it is the antithesis os maturity. We should all rally together and cooperate to help protect our planet. Pollution is only going to affect us in worse and worse ways. Pollution has costs and consequences, and we cannot blow it off as something that will only harm others.

 

[Shaul]

Fallible human selfish nature is a barrier to fixing the climate. At present is like standing in front of a freight train and asking it to stop.

Global Warming is an unavoidable reality due to the energy (needs?) desires of our overpopulated planet climate regardless of the graphs, and idealistic claims of a solution. As the matter of fact, math determines that we will warm beyond many expectations of graph manipulators.

Well that didn’t answer my question at all.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well that didn’t answer my question at all.

That was because you did not ask a proper question.

 

[shunyadragon]

Well that didn’t answer my question at all.

Than ask specific questions concerning questions you may have. BE SPECIFIC.

 

[Secret Chief]

How come a lot of people that can’t even control something merely manmade like the economy want to claim they can “fix” the climate?

Perhaps because they are entirely non-comparable.

 

[metis]

Of course I believe the account of Noah’s ark is factual. It is God’s Word, just as we are informed that birth pangs or environmental events and upheaval will increase and intensity the closer we get to the end of the age.

There's a tremendous amount of symbolism used in the scriptures and, otot, the scriptures are subjective in orientation, not objective.

How come a lot of people that can’t even control something merely manmade like the economy want to claim they can “fix” the climate?

The science is overwhelming in that we do and have had a very significant effect on overall climatic trends.

 

[InChrist]

Trying to make science portrayed as having a religious or political agenda is playing dodge ball with blue smoke and mirrors,

I don’t necessarily think it’s a matter of trying to portray science as having a political agenda. Rather, it is politicians and elitists who constantly “use” science for their own political power and economic gain.

 

[metis]

Rather, it is politicians and elitists who constantly “use” science for their own political power and economic gain.

Which is why it's best to use actual scientific sources.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I don’t necessarily think it’s a matter of trying to portray science as having a political agenda. Rather, it is politicians and elitists who constantly “use” science for their own political power and economic gain.

Politicians will always do that. The problem is that the Republicans at this point are so stupid, and I could not think of a more polite word, that they cannot play that game.

AGW is a fact. There is no denying that it is a significant threat to man. It won't cause our extinction but it could lead to a series of wars and other woes. The Republicans, if they had half a brain, would be coming up with their own plans to fight global warming so that they too could sneak in their own political goals. Instead they act like the kids that failed all of their science classes in middle school..

 

[England my lionheart]

There has recently been an enormous heatwave where I live, which got me thinking...

Is there such a thing as global warming?

And if so, is it due to humans?

I don't know any of the facts and if I did I wouldn't know how to interpret them

Question: What should I believe, if I want to be right?

I have made a poll, but if you vote in it please explain how you voted!

And if you can, please cite an authoritative source or sources

Definitely humans,farming oil deforestation to grow palm oil,as others have said NASA is a good source of info.

 

[metis]

Definitely humans,farming oil deforestation to grow palm oil,as others have said NASA is a good source of info.

As is NOAA, the NAS, Scientific American, etc.

 

[InChrist]

No, if anything the Noah's Ark story tells us that the Bible is not "'God's world". Nature tells us in countless different ways that there was no flood. If your God created everything then he had to lie by covering up his actions. I hope that you do not believe that.

So you are both overly literal and then when the Bible goes against your beliefs you freely reinterpret it.

You are entitled to your view and critique of the Biblical accounts, but I prefer to believe God’s information over yours. I am sure you are a smart person, but God is all- knowing.
Science is always changing as new information is acquired or discoveries made. As well, since science is preformed by finite humans it has its limitations. I have no doubt that given time or eternity, human scientific understanding will line up with the accuracy of God’s revelation in the historical biblical accounts.

http://www.squareonescience.com/evidence-of-a-global-flood/

 

[InChrist]

Which is why it's best to use actual scientific sources.

The problem is though that the politicians don’t care about the science, but yet continue to impose policies which harm people’s lives and economics, while still damaging the environment and making things worse. Do you think Biden really cares about climate change when he made tons of money off fossil fuel investments? Or how about all the members of the World Economic Forum who gather to talk about climate change ideas to impose on people/countries, yet they fly around the world in their private jets or live in coastal estates; do they actually care or believe the science?

 

[shunyadragon]

I don’t necessarily think it’s a matter of trying to portray science as having a political agenda. Rather, it is politicians and elitists who constantly “use” science for their own political power and economic gain.

Yes, but science remains science. It is best to ignore the extreme right religious agenda misusing and ignoring science concerning for example Global Warming, Evolution, cosmology, and Pandemic/virus.

Yes, some on the left may misrepresent and exaggerate science. It remains best to investigate good science sources and journals to understand science as science concerning these issues.

 

[shunyadragon]

The problem is though that the politicians don’t care about the science, but yet continue to impose policies which harm people lives and economics, while still damaging the environment and making things worse. Do you think Biden really cares about climate change when he tons of money off fossil fuel investments? Or how about all the members of the World Economic Forum who gather to talk about climate change ideas to impose on people/countries, yet they fly around the world in their private jets or live in coastal estates; do they actually care or believe the science?

You will have to be more specific here, because the right downplays and even rejects the scientific issues like Global Warming and Pandemic Virus issues. It is more than apparent that the Republicans not only reject Global Warming, but as in the Trump administration, the EPA was prohibited from using Global Warming technology. IT is a fact that many Republicans downright reject Global Warming, Pandemic/virus issues, and believe in such trash as the racist 'Replacement Theory/

Many if not most Republicans even reject the Science of Evolution based on a religious agenda. There is a severe problem with your one-sided view of the problem of science being rejected and marginalized based on a religious/political agenda, At least the Democrats support the issues and reality of Global Warming and Pandemic/virus issues. Many Republicans still embrace many crank conspiracies concerning these issues like QAnon and 'Replacement' racist theory. I can document this more with specific references if needed.

It is the private jets and vast industrial complexes of the right like Trump and his fellow wealthy compatriates that gave themselves HUGE tax breaks, reject ALL environmental legislation, and have fleets of jets and million-dollar boats

Your view is severely unbalanced with an agenda. Please review the history of the Trump administration and his wealthy cronies to present a more balanced evaluation..

Again and again . . . the real scientific view based on actual science is that the threat of Global Warming is extreme, and yes unlikely to be resolved at all, The Democrat's proposals do reduce the impact, but no there are claims that it may resolve it is not based on the complete science The problem remains that the Republicans reject Global Warming, and resort to a conspiracy based agenda, which you HAVE FAILED TO RESPOND TO.

 

[Shaul]

You will have to be more specific here, because the right downplays and even rejects the scientific issues like Global Warming and Pandemic Virus issues. It is more than apparent that the Republicans not only reject Global Warming, but as in the Trump administration, the EPA was prohibited from using Global Warming technology.

It is the private jets and vast industrial complexes of the right like Trump and his fellow wealthy compatriates that gave themselves HUGE tax breaks, reject ALL environmental legislation, and have fleets of jets and million-dollar boats

Your view is severely unbalanced with an agenda. P
lease review the history of the Trump administration and his wealthy cronies to present a more balanced evaluation..

You mean like the private jets bureaucrats use to fly to climate conferences?

 

[Shaul]

The science is overwhelming in that we do and have had a very significant effect on overall climatic trends.

That doesn’t answer my question.