Poll questions as to reducing guns deaths in the USA

[Wildswanderer]

Ask the people of Australia.

I agree. They became a police state... that's the result.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Just be honest and admit you want a total ban.

I don't.

I have no issue with hunting, sport shooting, or gun collecting. The only thing I see as illegitimate is keeping guns for "defense."

Go ahead and have your guns (provided you can pass a background check and a basic safety course), just keep them locked up in a safe, unloaded, with your ammo locked up separately. Semi-auto weapons can stay locked up at the range.

You don't need to wander around with a loaded firearm in a Wal-Mart or on a city street, but go right ahead and do it in the woods in deer season.

 

[Wildswanderer]

I don't.

I have no issue with hunting, sport shooting, or gun collecting. The only thing I see as illegitimate is keeping guns for "defense."

Go ahead and have your guns (provided you can pass a background check and a basic safety course), just keep them locked up in a safe, unloaded, with your ammo locked up separately. Semi-auto weapons can stay locked up at the range.

You don't need to wander around with a loaded firearm in a Wal-Mart or on a city street, but go right ahead and do it in the woods in deer season.

You already asked for a ban on handguns... now you are backpedaling.

 

[Stonetree]

I don't.

I have no issue with hunting, sport shooting, or gun collecting. The only thing I see as illegitimate is keeping guns for "defense."

Go ahead and have your guns (provided you can pass a background check and a basic safety course), just keep them locked up in a safe, unloaded, with your ammo locked up separately. Semi-auto weapons can stay locked up at the range.

You don't need to wander around with a loaded firearm in a Wal-Mart or on a city street, but go right ahead and do it in the woods in deer season.

When you mention 'city street' you are identifying one of the problems influencing the opinions of Americans on gun control. Those living in more rural locations seem to prefer more lenient gun control laws,imo.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

When you mention 'city street' you are identifying one of the problems influencing the opinions of Americans on gun control. Those living in more rural locations seem to prefer more lenient gun control laws,imo.

I also don't support having a loaded gun in the glove compartment of your pickup truck.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

You already asked for a ban on handguns... now you are backpedaling.

Try reading for comprehension next time.

I said that we should do something about hanguns. Requiring handguns to be stored securely at the firing range is one example of a "something" that could be done.

 

[We Never Know]

I also don't support having a loaded gun in the glove compartment of your pickup truck.

I don't keep one in the chamber of any of my guns.

 

[Wildswanderer]

I also don't support having a loaded gun in the glove compartment of your pickup truck.

Then you don't support gun rights. What good is your gun going to do you for self defense if it's locked up at a range... and it sounds like a recipe for having a lot of guns stolen at once.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Then you don't support gun rights.

I just have a different view of what gun rights are than you do.

What good is your gun going to do you for self defense if it's locked up at a range...

Nothing. That's the point. Keeping guns for "defensive" purposes is illegitimate, IMO, and lax provisions in the law designed to facilitate "defensive" gun use are big obstacle to real action on the US's firearm death rate.

and it sounds like a recipe for having a lot of guns stolen at once.

No, what passes for gun storage rules in the US now is the recipe for gun theft:

The FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting Program, which compiles crime stats submitted by 15,875 of 18,674 U.S. law enforcement agencies around the country, estimates that more than $135 million worth of firearms were reported stolen by gun owners in 2020, the most recent year data is available. If we say each gun was valued at about $450 each (the Bureau of Justice Statistics estimates the average price per stolen gun is between $400 and $500), that comes out to about 300,394 guns reported stolen from private owners in 2020.

How Many Guns Fall Out Of Circulation Each Year In the U.S.?

 

[Shaul]

Uvalde: AR-15 Buffalo: AR-15 Boulder: AR-15 Orlando: AR-15 Parkland: AR-15 Las Vegas: AR-15 Aurora, CO: AR-15 Sandy Hook: AR-15 Waffle House: AR-15 San Bernardino: AR-15 Midland/Odessa: AR-15 Poway synagogue: AR-15 Sutherland Springs: AR-15 Tree of Life Synagogue: AR-15

Is it my imagination or is there a pattern? No private citizen needs an AR-15. Just ban them.

This list is factually wrong. Please supply your sources.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

This list is factually wrong. Please supply your sources.

What parts do you disagree with?

 

[We Never Know]

What parts do you disagree with?

AR-15 style rifles used in 11 mass shootings since 2012

Fact check: Post missing context about AR-15 rifles and mass shootings

@Orbit. Now take the total number of mass shooting since 2012, divide that into 11 and you will get a very very very low % have been commited using AR15's.

 

[Shaul]

Here are some options for your poll:

1) Increase gun ownership rates (statistics show the gun homicide rate has decreased as gun ownership rate increases)

2) Strengthen capital punishment for perpetrators. (Making capital punishment being applied swift and sure for using a firearm for murder would be a deterrent.)

3) Increase prison sentences for anyone who uses a firearm while committing other crimes.

 

[Shaul]

What parts do you disagree with?

Several. So just show your sources.

 

[F1fan]

How about you raise your children better? A wild idea, I know, but it can be done.

Let us know how to raise perfect kids.

And make sure you explain how to make kids with mental health issues perfect darlings, magically.

 

[Debater Slayer]

I agree. They became a police state... that's the result.

Referring to a country that consistently ranks among the most free in the world according to multiple outlets (including American ones such as Freedom House) and quality-of-life metrics--and often more free than the U.S. to boot--as a "police state" is a dilution of the term to a meaningless extent.

 

[We Never Know]

Let us know how to raise perfect kids.

And make sure you explain how to make kids with mental health issues perfect darlings, magically.

For a start spend more time with them instead of....

Child- mommy, daddy lets play a game of candyland!
Parents- can't you see we are watching our favorite show. Go play in your room.
Child- drops head and walks off to play alone

Next day

Child- mommy, daddy lets play a game of Uno!
Parents- can't you see we are relaxing. Go play in your room.
Child- drops head and walks off to play alone

Next day

Child- mommy, daddy lets play catch!
Parents- can't you see your father is tired and I'm on the phone. Go play in your room
Child- drops head and walks off to play alone

Next day

Child- mommy, daddy lets play a game of shutes and ladders!
Parents- see what we got you. A video game. Go to your room and play.
Child- oh cool and walks off to play alone

 

[F1fan]

Here are some options for your poll:

1) Increase gun ownership rates (statistics show the gun homicide rate has decreased as gun ownership rate increases)

Who has published these stats?

2) Strengthen capital punishment for perpetrators. (Making capital punishment being applied swift and sure for using a firearm for murder would be a deterrent.)

Given some of these shooters end up dead, while most end up in prison, it doesn't;t seem to be much of a deterrent. Your suggestion here assumes a mass killer is going to reason through consequences. They AREN'T thinking rationally.

 

[We Never Know]

Who has published these stats?


Given some of these shooters end up dead, while most end up in prison, it doesn't;t seem to be much of a deterrent. Your suggestion here assumes a mass killer is going to reason through consequences. They AREN'T thinking rationally.

"Your suggestion here assumes a mass killer is going to reason through consequences. They AREN'T thinking rationally."

Exactly! Its a people problem.

 

[Shaul]

Who has published these stats?

The CDC and the Congressional Research Service.

Given some of these shooters end up dead, while most end up in prison, it doesn't;t seem to be much of a deterrent. Your suggestion here assumes a mass killer is going to reason through consequences. They AREN'T thinking rationally.

I don’t assume any such thing. Nor is the deterrent dependent on perpetrator reasoning.