Poll questions as to reducing guns deaths in the USA

[Twilight Hue]

Yeah, but you can't restrict freedom, right? If the bad guys have more firepower than you, you need even more.

I am trying to find if you find anything reasonable in limiting gun rights. And you just evade as far as I can tell. How is that?

It's not evasion as you might think it is

It's just plain fact.

Besides I already made threads on alternatives that I think could work.

 

[Twilight Hue]

So was a kid sleeping in the rear window of a car, on the shelf behind the back seats.

More like in the bed of a pick up truck with the family dog lapping up the air.

 

[We Never Know]

Stop playing that game. Yes, you win based on your framing, but for us who know that you are framing you achieve nothing. It is more that what you make it out to be.

Military style is not a look. It is a class of capabilities and the difference in what the gun can do.

"Military style is not a look. It is a class of capabilities and the difference in what the gun can do."

Thats not a good description. That 22lr was semi-auto with a 15 round mag.

All(supposed to be all) civillian AR15's/AR-556 weapons made by different manufactures (ArmaLite and Ruger for example) are manufactured as semi-auto with less options than a military weapon.

However conversion kits can be bought for them. And in my opinion the conversion kits shouldn't be available to civilians. In my opinion.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

More like in the bed of a pick up truck with the family dog lapping up the air.

That too.

And how many kids died because of that sort of behaviour before we collectively said "enough is enough - the kids are going in proper seats and the driver is getting fined if they don't do it?"

Guns seem to be the only thing where no amount of death is enough to change the rules.

 

[Twilight Hue]

That too.

And how many kids died because of that sort of behaviour before we collectively said "enough is enough - the kids are going in proper seats and the driver is getting fined if they don't do it?"

Guns seem to be the only thing where no amount of death is enough to change the rules.

I never was aware it was an issue ever until the radicalized safety nazis came on the scene.

 

[Revoltingest]

1. Permit-to-purchase (PTP) laws
2. Firearm safe storage practices
3. Red flag laws

So, would the first stop the selling of guns privately? And would the second disallow gun-carry, since this is one route for guns to fall into the wrong hands or be used against any owner?

I favor regulating private sales of some guns.
Not relics though.
Carrying is "safe storage" in the sense that one is
in possession of the gun, & not accessible to others.
Secure storage is about preventing improper access
by others, eg, putting them in a safe when not in use.
That's what I do.

 

[Wildswanderer]

just have a different view of what gun rights are than you do.

No, you don't support them at all. You have made that clear.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Have you ever visited a country outside the US?

How does this relate?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I never was aware it was an issue ever until the radicalized safety nazis came on the scene.

IOW, you didn't personally know any of the many people who died.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Referring to a country that consistently ranks among the most free in the world according to multiple outlets (including American ones such as Freedom House) and quality-of-life metrics--and often more free than the U.S. to boot--as a "police state" is a dilution of the term to a meaningless extent.

Apparently you missed seeing the police activity in Australia during the last year.

 

[Twilight Hue]

IOW, you didn't personally know any of the many people who died.

You don't need to know people. The news simply reports who died if at all. How silly.

At the time it just wasn’t a community issue whatsoever. Life was fine. That's the facts.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Apparently you missed seeing the police activity in Australia during the last year.

I'd have to know which cases you had in mind to comment on them. In general, the U.S. has a much bigger problem of incompetence and excessive use of force from the police than Australia does, so whatever definition of "police state" you use should logically include the U.S. to an even larger extent than Australia.

 

[We Never Know]

IOW, you didn't personally know any of the many people who died.

"The many people who died"

Can you show how many died from falling out of the back of a truck?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

How does this relate?

Just that it seems to me that someone who think that Australia is a "police state" and the US isn't one is probably someone who has no point of comparison between American police and police anywhere else in the world.

Interactions with police in countries that follow the "policing by consent" model (e.g. Australia, Canada, the UK) tend to be a lot less oppressive than interactions with American cops.

And I can't entirely blame the American cops on this. Because of your gun laws, they have to treat every citizen as potentially armed and dangerous because many of them are.

So... am I right? You've never travelled outside the US, have you? If you had, you'd have noticed that the US has much more of a "police state" vibe than other western countries.

 

[Wildswanderer]

I'd have to know which cases you had in mind to comment on them. In general, the U.S. has a much bigger problem of incompetence and excessive use of force from the police than Australia does, so whatever definition of "police state" you use should logically include the U.S. to an even larger extent than Australia.

Police lockdowns, beating up people for leaving thier houses...ring a bell... no? You didn't see any of it?

 

[Debater Slayer]

Police lockdowns, beating up people for leaving thier houses...ring a bell... no? You didn't see any of it?

I haven't seen beating up of people, but I've seen a couple of videos where police were using strong force. I'm in favor of using as little force as possible and only when necessary. Those couple of videos, however, certainly don't qualify Australia as a "police state."

Lockdowns are a medically evidenced pandemic-control measure, so I generally have no issues with them when they're recommended by medical experts and enforced without excessive use of force.

 

[Wildswanderer]

So... am I right? You've never travelled outside the US, have you? If you had, you'd have noticed that the US has much more of a "police state" vibe than other western countries.

I have not been to other countries but I have lots of relatives who have. Almost every other country has more extreme laws, and less freedom than the US. Where do you live that you think we are a police state?

 

[Debater Slayer]

Almost every other country has more extreme laws, and less freedom than the US.

From your perspective. There is a reason freedom indices frequently rank multiple European countries above the U.S.

Personally, I consider a country like the Netherlands or Sweden much more free than the U.S.: inciting speech and propaganda (e.g., neo-Nazi propaganda) are banned in public, health emergencies don't tend to bankrupt people and enslave them to corporate exploitation, and higher education is generally more affordable than in the U.S., among other things.

That's without touching on the looming threat of theocracy that has been hovering above the U.S. for many years now, culminating with the recent wave of abortion bans and anti-LGBT legislation.

The idea that the U.S. is a special beacon of freedom is as outdated and American-centric as it is inaccurate and narrow in scope.

 

[metis]

How about you raise your children better? A wild idea, I know, but it can be done.

So, that's your "solution", eh? Just preach and not do anything, right?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I have not been to other countries but I have lots of relatives who have.

So you've never actually experienced the difference between interacting with police in the US versus anywhere else.

Almost every other country has more extreme laws, and less freedom than the US.

Not actually true, but you aren't the first American who I've heard say this.

You don't own a business, do you?

Where do you live that you think we are a police state?

Canada.