Poll questions as to reducing guns deaths in the USA

[F1fan]

The CDC and the Congressional Research Service.

So you're claiming the data shows that the more guns that are owned in the USA then fewer murders by gun occur?

I'd be curious if the data is by state or region. It could be that some areas have more gun regulation and thus less gun crimes while other areas have higher access and more killings, but the average is lower as a nation.

Still, you offered no link to the data so I am suspicious of your claim. I am aware that murder rates dropped during the pandemic, but that it is on the rise post pandemic. That could skew data.

I don’t assume any such thing. Nor is the deterrent dependent on perpetrator reasoning.

Well, it is if you are saying the death penalty would deter killers who don't care if they die or not.

 

[F1fan]

One thing we can say for sure is that very few people in the USA needs a military style semi-auto rifle. Many may wasn't them, but very few have a practical use for them. I just wonder if these folks can live without these guns. It's a question of maturity. Are they really going to be depressed if they cannot own an AR15?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Several.

So nothing specific, eh?

So just show your sources.

It wasn't my post. I don't know what @Orbit 's sources were.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I agree. They became a police state... that's the result.

Have you ever visited a country outside the US?

 

[We Never Know]

One thing we can say for sure is that very few people in the USA needs a military style semi-auto rifle. Many may wasn't them, but very few have a practical use for them. I just wonder if these folks can live without these guns. It's a question of maturity. Are they really going to be depressed if they cannot own an AR15?

What is s military style weapon?
Shape, size, caliber, looks?

This is a 22lr(a target plinker as I saw you call them on another thread) that holds 15 rounds and looks like an AR15.
Is it a military style weapon?

 

[We Never Know]

Have you ever visited a country outside the US?

Saw this on family.feud

Question.. Name a country besides the United States you have been to.
Answer.. Texas

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Uvalde: AR-15 Buffalo: AR-15 Boulder: AR-15 Orlando: AR-15 Parkland: AR-15 Las Vegas: AR-15 Aurora, CO: AR-15 Sandy Hook: AR-15 Waffle House: AR-15 San Bernardino: AR-15 Midland/Odessa: AR-15 Poway synagogue: AR-15 Sutherland Springs: AR-15 Tree of Life Synagogue: AR-15

Is it my imagination or is there a pattern? No private citizen needs an AR-15. Just ban them.

It has nothing to do with an AR-15. It is about categories of firearms and what they can do. An AR-15 is not a category, it is a single type of gun within a category.
And with 3D printing and some simple metal work machines you can do it yourself.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

What is s military style weapon?
Shape, size, caliber, looks?

This is a 22lr(a target plinker as I saw you call them on another thread) that holds 15 rounds and looks like an AR15.
Is it a military style weapon?

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Stop playing that game. Yes, you win based on your framing, but for us who know that you are framing you achieve nothing. It is more than what you make it out to be.

Military style is not a look. It is a class of capabilities and the difference in what the gun can do.

 

[Mock Turtle]

To what purpose? Those who embrace some dystopian "right-to-life" Texas America - a land where damn near anyone can get a gun and damn near no one can get an abortion - will be unmoved while the rest will find such a poll more or less unnecessary.

It's probably difficult and perhaps pointless to make a poll that Americans and all others could respond to, given that many would claim that Americans alone should be the ones to voice their opinions, but I'd like to know what people on RF do think about this issue. And I know I'm really not the one who should be doing this.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

It's probably difficult and perhaps pointless to make a poll that Americans and all others could respond to, given that many would claim that Americans alone should be the ones to voice their opinions, but I'd like to know what people on RF do think about this issue. And I know I'm really not the one who should be doing this.

Yeah, but please don't take for granted that what works in the rest of the world will work in the USA. There are too many guns already in circulation, technology (3D printing and simple metal work machines) and a part of the population make it impossible to say: Just do as other countries.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Here are some options for your poll:

1) Increase gun ownership rates (statistics show the gun homicide rate has decreased as gun ownership rate increases)

Overall numbers of deaths and injuries seem to be aligned with the number of such weapons in circulation (evidence from other countries), so even if more gun ownership might affect one particular area it might not be effective at reducing other rates of deaths and injuries in other areas.

2) Strengthen capital punishment for perpetrators. (Making capital punishment being applied swift and sure for using a firearm for murder would be a deterrent.)

Capital punishment has not shown to be a great deterrent, and is probably why so many other countries have abandoned such, apart from other reasons.

3) Increase prison sentences for anyone who uses a firearm while committing other crimes.

Same here, that deterrence is not an issue for many, especially for those who know they will likely not survive any such event as school shootings or similar.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Yeah, but please don't take for granted that what works in the rest of the world will work in the USA. There are too many guns already in circulation, technology (3D printing and simple metal work machines) and a part of the population make it impossible to say: Just do as other countries.

Yes, I agree, and I do realise that the USA does tend to have a unique problem here. Perhaps it is the sheer size of the USA that is one issue apart from anything else. The options seem to be to either back-peddle as to ownership rights or as to solutions that try to cope with the number of guns in circulation, and that always will be there.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I also don't support having a loaded gun in the glove compartment of your pickup truck.

Keep it in the gun rack mounted on the back window.

 

[Mock Turtle]

If mostly Chevys were involved in drunk driving
deaths, banning those would only mean other
brands being used.

From the OP, this is my favorite....
Three Evidence-Based Strategies for Reducing Gun Violence
I'd add to this extensive training requirements.
This would weed out some not committed to gun
safety, & also yield fewer accidents.

1. Permit-to-purchase (PTP) laws
2. Firearm safe storage practices
3. Red flag laws

So, would the first stop the selling of guns privately? And would the second disallow gun-carry, since this is one route for guns to fall into the wrong hands or be used against any owner?

 

[Mock Turtle]

Keep it in the gun rack mounted on the back window.

Reminds me of Easy Rider.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Reminds me of Easy Rider.

That was a common sight back in the day.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Keep it in the gun rack mounted on the back window.

Yeah and make sure that you use a fully automatic rifle with many high velocity projectiles, so you can dose down say the other car and even kill bystanders on the other side of that car. And if I say you are not allowed to have such a rifle and ammunition, I am talking away your fundamental right to have a gun.
Or what?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Yeah and make sure that you use a fully automatic rifle with many high velocity projectiles, so you can dose down say the other car and even kill bystanders on the other side of that car. And if I say you are not allowed to have such a rifle and ammunition, I am talking away your fundamental right to have a gun.
Or what?

Most I've seen were pump shotguns and standard hunting rifles.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Most I've seen were pump shotguns and standard hunting rifles.

Yeah, but you can't restrict freedom, right? If the bad guys have more firepower than you, you need even more.

I am trying to find if you find anything reasonable in limiting gun rights. And you just evade as far as I can tell. How is that?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

That was a common sight back in the day.

So was a kid sleeping in the rear window of a car, on the shelf behind the back seats.